From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com (mail-wm0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15FBA3B2A3 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2016 00:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id a197so152604741wmd.0 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 21:40:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=7+SoyoySYRTnu5Gy32TF6ddm5YOIyxmROdZ14C8hIjM=; b=g7hqWQJaGxwvwiefuBYeepUFUHluLQEL6eWbTRUitvjBC/C4GHLLUzRP4WSZLzZLCA ackQV95JI0S14fnAP6Qp6wejs85QOqVCHR/j7+BIYsJgba81zwJcq10lQv9/gJ4BlkC2 gyiy8yZanGKCJd2SCkKl5P6b9ubQoo3+vaov5l8dnlLcqc6I2KGsCS1EtdzY81ejp4xj a7SPJ5iXSYh9o/96FyrvM4iHLFgAAxe/mI3Wh6gkakT1t+IYxkHvSRhoSzTVZlNbvJOF dVv16rPGbD1l3B9v9J0r33Kdw07w+AzDltseQnwq50H+vp5+9+/BzbSBJ+V63za+isxf Bs/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=7+SoyoySYRTnu5Gy32TF6ddm5YOIyxmROdZ14C8hIjM=; b=Qqj65mBMN02/uGmO95i8uxiDSvjoRER8A07Q4zrm6jR9VgFwLzE6HoCEg5co1MSXfS J87ddfm4hw8yXg2GDvZZb2iVeUz3Tfox+8B+h8UuZWRAxU1UxFOtpSaBAbPSweHpAm7w KRxzQxBHzJefEZ/DfISC/vnS2b97DwTWlv0NET0l9uLbIfGCehLODEEDM/Mco9OHt4dg Nt7DofwZZubfIbJjcyXLktLIPnAwH5UhC0kwg9ptdJXWTK+ZBtR1pCn6+ZpZj9L9qHwD bIRXxuN+pbUlL6WKa4A6WrXU4RZeCAcUs+LnchbxjS+wsS0DHf5aZ1ZhYMxjG4H6k7sQ /MyA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01Zg1ULU/IXCcWlY7O1kspka012eoAoI8KIWuNsrHTUkUHIqfRRJSgLrklb5vOp0w== X-Received: by 10.46.13.17 with SMTP id 17mr11534157ljn.27.1481089256542; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 21:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.13] (37-33-82-144.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.33.82.144]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x4sm4466240lff.15.2016.12.06.21.40.55 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 06 Dec 2016 21:40:55 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 07:40:53 +0200 Cc: Dave Taht , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1AF0B7E9-0B9E-4C21-8523-5486F6D1280A@gmail.com> References: <5a2d4224-3f4e-80f0-3b0b-b2fbbdd59697@gmail.com> <77a4abf0-bc94-0d2e-eebe-d72e2e676255@gmail.com> To: Mikael Abrahamsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Bloat] 22 seconds til bloat on gfiber? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 05:40:58 -0000 > On 27 Oct, 2016, at 23:17, Mikael Abrahamsson = wrote: >=20 > I do have problems coming up with scenarios where you need more than a = gig. As long as typical consumer PCs have GigE ports and nothing (reliably) = faster, more than 1Gbps at the last mile will be a tough sell. That = should be obvious. In fact, there are few home applications where >1Gbps matters even over = the LAN. This I think will keep GigE as the typical standard for = individual PCs for the foreseeable future. That=E2=80=99s not to say it=E2=80=99s *impossible* to sell 4Gbps or = 10Gbps connections. You could do it by bundling a multi-port switch = with a sufficiently fast uplink port, and sell it as =E2=80=9Ca full = gigabit for each of N computers=E2=80=9D. The most obvious customers to = target might be apartment complexes or entire villages, who could share = such a connection over a large number of users and defray a relatively = high installation cost. - Jonathan Morton