From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD7B13B29D for ; Sun, 16 May 2021 19:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id s25so4957868ljo.11 for ; Sun, 16 May 2021 16:02:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Aj/NZGEHIrrnk993VG9K/6+MecHHOQpj5YlURfQ426I=; b=DujTeJ8T8qX5wqBA3URfYOv/wNy5IEsmapkiEosImzU90scNu5vCikzE3cwif55Z9o BZrni0VOjlhxEzQML9Dg/VGEi76uoMm2pCOG7Zlyr3oG3GmCQvYcmagbkXoW3Bt6FiVl rLD2rXfwXkVjMBs3QLEUi3fpKSvADv//ilEuZSXYA+BGmk3jXnalHGowTntphKBYJ1CG qzkBiOhjvm9SBk09exAZMhieEratwPK30Ohw3Qxoh4QxryZTY7EvuDPahX9SUWZJxz3Z HMX694sTqe0L9bz4icVhwq5xlr6a2UDck+uZ5coiEjk4EL937KfdYt7XFJwImzf4xPgF wrww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Aj/NZGEHIrrnk993VG9K/6+MecHHOQpj5YlURfQ426I=; b=kfLTQQISlwp85j99ozSy9rlD5/+EOv+qcOvl9FioiIG/ELLj9EvG4SnLJpwKiXiVDK 5WPwQ5Hh+P5svtJrjJwOShhQr8CHgArXgzevTdGbM3RvNv5/hHSCTrKt/sn1l4dyftSB ufaYOV7r7rl7S3SpY1NZ8end1PJKKw5xGKO0UEoO7OPoHyDEhw54XhwMHLWLF2WITguj dTZU1WwiNFdyxz+tSuo3YzBTRLqfMDthaR4C1+Kkk6zfhbysufypjli8U1u0gX6FhEm1 ygH8RPwaBMFu4I16TShz9OCTeHXxQcq+AAHMp3P95YYtzvKTqPEjF9OXKUWTYOQJOckg bZXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532s3KF899FF9KzeQ7M/idRpuMFMg6YwmuaJ2/HgUPQyczG3NaIC h4RRJZZRpYrA922pYiF2Ng8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw8taOhMzCBrz3qOouewdjKQbdW6upHr0rRVxyWEeIcuht+UX+vOPSaeG0BXaPrpzTXGPi6Xw== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:1608:: with SMTP id w8mr46678992ljd.506.1621206166675; Sun, 16 May 2021 16:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (37-136-237-77.rev.dnainternet.fi. [37.136.237.77]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o11sm1780561lfi.44.2021.05.16.16.02.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 16 May 2021 16:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <42DC54D2-AC15-455F-B4B1-E97BE05CD00D@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 02:02:44 +0300 Cc: john , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1BC31EB4-EA96-456D-8595-5C30D5A9F478@gmail.com> References: <6d93a3cf-7907-c50b-7903-79bd638b5766@indexexchange.com> <487B5EAD-6FEE-482C-919E-D1F1B7166530@gmail.com> <15155.1621197853@localhost> <42DC54D2-AC15-455F-B4B1-E97BE05CD00D@gmail.com> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Terminology for Laypeople X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 23:02:48 -0000 > On 17 May, 2021, at 12:33 am, Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 > The delay is caused by the fact that the product already in the = pipeline has already been bought by the hardware store, and thus = contractually the loggers can't divert it to an individual customer like = me. The reason this part of the analogy is relevant (and why I set up the = hardware store's representative buying the branches at the felling = stage) is because in internet traffic I don't want just any old data = packets, I need the ones that specifically relate to the connection I = opened. We could say for the sake of the analogy that the hardware store is = buying all the pine and spruce, and the felling team is thus working = only on those trees, but I want a birch tree to fuel my sauna (since = it's in less demand, the price is lower). That also makes it easier to = identify my branches as they go through the pipeline. - Jonathan Morton=