From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; dkim=pass header.d=lang.hm header.i=@lang.hm header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=mail2026 header.b=YEPKdo0L; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=lang.hm policy.dmarc=none Received: from mail.lang.hm (mail.lang.hm [70.167.213.146]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77D0B169503D for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2026 11:16:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.2.3.133] (unknown [10.2.3.133]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7658A237D06; Sat, 19 Sep 2026 02:16:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lang.hm; s=mail2026; t=1789809382; bh=Sw+BN9IKteFSgHCKxv88sn6tPPo13By+Gx0LQvC/6CM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=YEPKdo0LsB8WABE+UelCO+BybnRDBUGp1j24x5kXu91K5LYh5DsR8dLM0et4F4Aoy xTiodPG1T2DZwxtSbvNZv7tDy+soDGuvkLdyydm5MFzCh2yQuVva9YFtgWCNNBRger vN+VBJBbD/a0Fstn6YwiHIZt8ejasxTuCj4IZZSJImRrQTDKZV2hITis/M0U6QwLX2 Zh6L8aSWXO96R/2TfBPgOMqa7ohjAwVKQoPOhg+j78t0UIVNRNmA/ieoDX51FFTZDX RlWMeKT5XW2jdlvtbyq8bjQn/izWnxu2c48HBnOMTR1PTz7zblSu259fESeFSH76ip +uFN1dkRmbkHw== Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2026 02:16:17 -0700 (MST) From: David Lang To: D.Goncz-FAX-571-395-3575@replikon.net cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1onq9q61-40o3-pnn6-pns7-58np93687005@ynat.uz> References: <178979811506.1938.15903254559639098502@gauss> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-ID-Hash: TCPRLOU7ZNJM2IENPOQBD2HF4DWIUZ7W X-Message-ID-Hash: TCPRLOU7ZNJM2IENPOQBD2HF4DWIUZ7W X-MailFrom: david@lang.hm X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Bloat] Re: Vol 185, Issue 5 List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Explain how you think this resonance would happen? unlike sound, packets don't 'echo', they deliver messages, which can (and frequently do) trigger reply messages but unlike audio resonance, the incoming packets don't add to the outgoing packets to make a larger signal than the outgoing packets would if the timing was a little difference. David Lang On Sat, 19 Sep 2026, Replikon Research, D-U-N-S/FCN 77-387-4974 wrote: > There are two realms of analysis where things can blow up > > One is synergy and synergetics meaning the interactions between presumably > interchangeable parts relevant to the interactions between presumably > interchangeable routers and node points > > The other is combinatorics and that's my thing I love combinatorics!!!! The > only thing that matters is what you choose to count and how much each part > of what you count matters to you to put it concisely. > > So while I have very little to contribute I am encouraged to hear that the > bottleneck is in the latency but the causes of the latency are > multi-dimensional there are at least we know where the problem is not where > that would mean we knew the causes no that's not right let me know is what > the problem is yes the problem is latency > > What comes to mind is it for certain latencies there may be an echo like > the feedback of a guitar when the amplifiers turned up too high > > Does that have any intuitional relationship to these very high level > Network analyzes that you all do everyday > > This question of residence no not residents got darn it in the microphone > resonance like my voice yes > > I think resonance and spectral radius are two characteristics of behind > level network analysis which apply here to this question of latency because > when spectral radius is one resonance is nearly inevitable > > Is the internet we have built evolving to an internet in which some > parameterizable characteristic has a special radius of 1? > > I sure as hell hope not > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list -- bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to bloat-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net >