From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-31-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-025-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.25]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5122E0182 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-31-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-31-ewr.local [10.0.141.237]) by mail-31-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972616F8613 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 20:58:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 71.162.243.5 Received: from snark.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by mail-31-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9958E6F7281 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 20:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id 0E5D920C22E; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:58:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:58:11 -0500 From: Eric Raymond To: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <20110206205811.GB3004@thyrsus.com> References: <4D4ECF74.9080305@freedesktop.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4D4ECF74.9080305@freedesktop.org> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] How do we shift the market? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:58:17 -0000 Jim Gettys : > But if we don't shift the market discussion, bufferbloat won't get > fixed, nor avoided in the future. Quite right. I followed through pretty much the same logic in propagating open source out of the geek ghetto. Morte emphasis on the business and finance press in my case; I don't think that would be as appropriate here. We need to continue to think about this, but I believe there isn't any need to make any tactical commitments about which media outlets to pursue until we've got more test tools and demonstrations. jg, you sound like you've got your hands free doing live demos and talks. If you want to hand off any of the writing projects to me, tell me. -- Eric S. Raymond