From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-12-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-067-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.67]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7CF2E0182 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-12-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-12-ewr.local [10.0.141.230]) by mail-12-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B608933A16 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:03:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 71.162.243.5 Received: from snark.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by mail-12-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCD2933961 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 21:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id 22F9320C22E; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:03:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:03:17 -0500 From: Eric Raymond To: richard Message-ID: <20110206210317.GC3004@thyrsus.com> References: <4D4ECF74.9080305@freedesktop.org> <1297012917.21875.26.camel@amd.pacdat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1297012917.21875.26.camel@amd.pacdat.net> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] How do we shift the market? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:03:26 -0000 richard : > We should probably come up with a list of key words/phrases that such > tests and comments and complaints and such can be easily categorized > under - terms that can be used in a marketing sense. > > Things like "multi-mode stress test" or "bandwidth-latency test" > Or how about a set of classifications of equipment based on what they > can deal with: 1-user throughput, family-capable throughput or??? > > How about "twitch latency" for the gamer market? > > It's hard to talk cohesively about the problem if we don't all use the > same terms with the same implied (and defined) words. Getting at least > some of them nailed down now will make a difference in the long run. > > I see wiki.bufferbloat.net has the "It Works" up on it - a page here on > terms would be a good thing. I am *so* there! :-) I'll start a glossary page. -- Eric S. Raymond