From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-03-iad.dyndns.com (mxout-209-iad.mailhop.org [216.146.32.209]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BC92E04AC for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 07:45:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-02-iad.mailhop.org (scan-02-iad.local [10.150.0.207]) by mail-03-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBA5835410 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:45:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 70.61.120.58 Received: from smtp.tuxdriver.com (charlotte.tuxdriver.com [70.61.120.58]) by mail-03-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43272834B59 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from uucp by smtp.tuxdriver.com with local-rmail (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pmpkq-0006c7-8V; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 10:45:24 -0500 Received: from linville-8530p.local (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by linville-8530p.local (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p18FhQ0c004528; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:43:26 -0500 Received: (from linville@localhost) by linville-8530p.local (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p18FhPc7004526; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:43:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:43:25 -0500 From: "John W. Linville" To: Richard Scheffenegger Message-ID: <20110208154325.GC2448@tuxdriver.com> References: <20110206143952.AC0CF20C22E@snark.thyrsus.com> <4D4EC2D4.2070708@freedesktop.org> <20110206202015.GA3004@thyrsus.com> <4D504E7F.6030602@freedesktop.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Animation X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:45:34 -0000 On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 07:54:57AM +0100, Richard Scheffenegger wrote: > I've created a simplistic simulation of bufferbloat with ns2-2.34. > > http://www.bufferbloat.net/attachments/15/nam00000.avi Looks good -- I _think_ I almost understand what I'm seeing... :-) > The animation is released under CC 3.0 - I explicitly invite you to > ie. voice over the animation, use parts of it (ie. time-lapse for > beverity) etc. I hope someone does this. If nothing else, maybe even just an accompanying script or some text overlay during the animation would be nice. Hopefully you/we can clarify the issue for knuckle-dragging "layer 2" guys like me that have been trained into the "don't drop packets" mentality. Some of the recent writings have been good for this too. But a lot of the posts on this list and the blogs have amounted to a URL with a comment like "the problem here is obvious" -- leaving me to squint and scratch my head... Given my associations with Linux and wireless, I am interested in working on this problem. Still, I (and presumably others) may need some hand-holding! John -- John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you linville@tuxdriver.com might be all we have. Be ready.