From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-13-iad.dyndns.com (mxout-215-iad.mailhop.org [216.146.32.215]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EF82E04AC for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-11-iad.mailhop.org (scan-11-iad.local [10.150.0.208]) by mail-13-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68721BDDFC7 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:42:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 194.213.15.114 Received: from mta2.perrit.net (mta2.perrit.net [194.213.15.114]) by mail-13-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2392ABDDFBE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from apia.perrit.net (apia.colo.hnglo.perrit.net [194.0.170.50]) by mail.perrit.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B108368C03D for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:42:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by apia.perrit.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 26E6C410E079; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:42:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:42:12 +0100 From: Leen Besselink To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <20110208184207.GA9789@apia.perrit.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Improving the murray hill's presentation X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:42:19 -0000 In-Reply-To=<871v3tcbwg.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> Hi, This is my first post to the mailinglists, I've been reading everything most of what Jim Gettys has been writing and trying to wrap my head around the problem. Maybe this is a silly idea, but I think it would really illustrate to those 'in the know' if we change the frontpage of the bufferbloat-site. My idea wass to put the before and after SmokePing graphics from the presentation (PDF-page 62 and 63) on the frontpage. Hopefully with a short & sweet explanation and a way to encourages people also to look y-axis, the labels and packetloss. Maybe that will drive home that their is a problem. Hope this is helpful. Have a nice day, Leen.