From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-11-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-229-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.229]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379C42E0077 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-12-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-12-ewr.local [10.0.141.230]) by mail-11-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58F592D3A5 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:11:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 192.6.19.190 Received: from gundega.hpl.hp.com (gundega.hpl.hp.com [192.6.19.190]) by mail-11-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6607092CDF5 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com (mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com [15.25.115.25]) by gundega.hpl.hp.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/HPL-PA Relay) with ESMTP id p1BIB8sI006389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:11:08 -0800 Received: from bougret.hpl.hp.com (bougret.hpl.hp.com [15.9.72.130]) by mailhub-pa1.hpl.hp.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/HPL-PA Hub) with ESMTP id p1BIB74s027199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:11:07 -0800 Received: from jt by bougret.hpl.hp.com with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PnxSV-0008Pn-OX; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:11:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:11:07 -0800 From: Jean Tourrilhes To: Dave =?iso-8859-1?Q?T=E4ht?= , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <20110211181107.GB32302@bougret.hpl.hp.com> References: <871v3ey4rk.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <20110211175518.GA32302@bougret.hpl.hp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110211175518.GA32302@bougret.hpl.hp.com> Organisation: HP Labs Palo Alto Address: HP Labs, 1U-17, 1501 Page Mill road, Palo Alto, CA 94304, USA. E-mail: jt@hpl.hp.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 15.0.48.190 Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , Stuart Cheshire Subject: Re: [Bloat] Analyzing wireless multiqueue behavior & bufferbloat X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: jt@hpl.hp.com List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:11:18 -0000 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 09:55:18AM -0800, Jean Tourrilhes wrote: > > My first reaction is "here we go, again". This subject has > been beaten to death by the experts in the past, for example the IETF > had a PILC subgroup, it generated a couple of intertesting documents > on the subject, and the mailing list has interesting discussion. > The PILC workgroup : > http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/pilc/charter/ > http://www.isi.edu/pilc/ > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pilc-error-06 > My humble contribution on the mailing list : > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pilc/current/msg00211.html > I did not go deep in the Bloat discussion, I don't have time > to read the mailing list, so I don't know if there is something truly > new apart from a cute marketing name. I forgot to mention that most of my comments were specific to "Wireless over TCP/IP", and not the overall buffering issues. For buffering, see section 13 of this PILC document : http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pilc-link-design-15 Regards, Jean