From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-03-iad.dyndns.com (mxout-151-iad.mailhop.org [216.146.32.151]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A43F2E0396 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 00:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-02-iad.mailhop.org (scan-02-iad.local [10.150.0.207]) by mail-03-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49958833EA3 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 08:20:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 195.113.20.131 Received: from popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz (popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.20.131]) by mail-03-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D377E833EA2 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 08:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from domone.kolej.mff.cuni.cz (popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz [127.0.1.1]) by popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 149AE40CF6 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:20:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by domone.kolej.mff.cuni.cz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 70A235F77D; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:20:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:20:44 +0100 From: =?utf-8?B?T25kxZllaiBCw61sa2E=?= To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <20110302082044.GA1948@domone> References: <1298930176.15371.51.camel@amd.pacdat.net> <1298948257.12452.1424819733@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D6CA21E.2000005@visser.name> <20110301091858.GA4446@domone> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on popelka.ms.mff.cuni.cz Subject: Re: [Bloat] Usage Based Billing - It's All About Perceived Congestion X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 08:21:41 -0000 On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 11:33:42AM +0200, Steve Davies wrote: > 2011/3/1 Ondřej Bílka <[1]neleai@seznam.cz> > > If ISP wanted be nice to customers then it could after quota exceeded > shape 64kbit/s+ available residual bandwidth > > "Residual bandwidth" in our markets.  Haha. There is plenty of residual bandwidth. For example between 3am and 8am. It would be logical from network shaping perspective as people would download at nigth and lower usage at day. > > Interestingly our bandwidth caps have created this sense of "I bought it > so I'm going to use it".  So yesterday for instance my 3G HSPA+ service > from CellC - advertised performance 21Mb - was delivering throughput of > about 100Kb at best.  That's because everyone was trying to "use up" their > remaining cap.  Conveniently for CellC it would be impossible to use much > bandwidth at such a low speed.  Of course its rare to see more than 2Mb > even at better times. > > Steve Davies > (South African Internet user) > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:neleai@seznam.cz -- evil hackers from Serbia.