From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
To: Wesley Eddy <wes@mti-systems.com>
Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Network computing article on bloat
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:56:33 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110430155633.GA10641@khazad-dum.debian.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DB70FDA.6000507@mti-systems.com>
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011, Wesley Eddy wrote:
> On 4/26/2011 2:17 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
> >"Big Buffers Bad. Small Buffers Good."
> >
> >"*Some* packet loss is essential for the correct operation of the Internet"
> >
> >are two of the memes I try to propagate, in their simplicity. Even
> >then there are so many qualifiers to both of those that the core
> >message gets lost.
>
>
> The second one is actually backwards; it should be "the Internet can
> operate correctly with some packet loss".
Right now in the real world, it CANNOT operate correctly WITHOUT the use
of aggressive packet loss to throttle back flows, or the queues just
fill up to the brink, and then you start dropping all packets anyway.
IMO, Dave's wodring get that point across a lot better.
--
"One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
Henrique Holschuh
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-04-30 15:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-04-26 17:05 Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:13 ` Dave Hart
2011-04-26 18:17 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:28 ` dave greenfield
2011-04-26 18:32 ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 19:37 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 20:21 ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 20:30 ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-04-26 21:16 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-27 17:10 ` Bill Sommerfeld
2011-04-27 17:40 ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-27 7:43 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-04-30 15:56 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [this message]
2011-04-30 19:18 ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-05 16:01 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:10 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-05 16:30 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:49 ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Neil Davies
2011-05-05 18:34 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-06 11:40 ` Sam Stickland
2011-05-06 11:53 ` Neil Davies
2011-05-08 12:42 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09 18:06 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-11 8:53 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-11 9:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-12 14:16 ` [Bloat] Publications Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-12 16:31 ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Fred Baker
2011-05-12 16:41 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-12 17:11 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-13 5:00 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 14:35 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-13 14:54 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 20:03 ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Kevin Gross
2011-05-14 20:48 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-15 18:28 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-15 20:49 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16 0:31 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-16 7:51 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16 9:49 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16 11:23 ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:15 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 13:22 ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:42 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 15:23 ` Jim Gettys
[not found] ` <-854731558634984958@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-16 13:45 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-16 18:36 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16 18:11 ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-17 7:49 ` BeckW
2011-05-17 14:16 ` Dave Taht
[not found] ` <-4629065256951087821@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-13 20:21 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 22:36 ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 22:08 ` [Bloat] Burst Loss david
2011-05-13 19:32 ` Denton Gentry
2011-05-13 20:47 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-06 4:18 ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Fred Baker
2011-05-06 15:14 ` richard
2011-05-06 21:56 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-06 22:10 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-07 16:39 ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-08 0:15 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-08 3:04 ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-05-08 13:00 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:53 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:34 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09 3:07 ` Fred Baker
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