From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cassarossa.samfundet.no (cassarossa.samfundet.no [129.241.93.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D971201044 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pannekake.samfundet.no ([2001:700:300:1800::dddd] ident=unknown) by cassarossa.samfundet.no with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SGc3M-0002hS-NJ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:16:09 +0200 Received: from sesse by pannekake.samfundet.no with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SGc3M-0001BM-De; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 22:16:08 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:16:08 +0200 From: "Steinar H. Gunderson" To: Dave Taht Message-ID: <20120407201608.GA21430@uio.no> References: <20120406222138.GB12641@uio.no> <1333811327.30705.4.camel@edumazet-laptop> <20120407153548.GC21452@uio.no> <20120407181034.GD21452@uio.no> <20120407185456.GE21452@uio.no> <20120407190134.GF21452@uio.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 3.3.0 on a x86_64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Best practices for paced TCP on Linux? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 20:16:13 -0000 On Sat, Apr 07, 2012 at 12:38:04PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote: > As for an explanation... > > Welcome to bufferbloat, the global plague that is sweeping the world! Aaa. I already follow the bufferbloat discussion (although most of it is over my head; even though my degree is in communications technology, I went down the DSP path and not networking), but I really didn't expect bufferbloat to actually be the direct cause of all of this. :-) > It will make a great case study, and I would love it of a few of the > amazing graphics and sound talents you had at "the gathering" - could > lend their vision to explaining what bufferbloat is! > > jg's videos are helpful but they don't rock out to techno! nor do they > feature led-lit juggling balls (wow!), nor spectral snakes that > dissolve into visual madness. Not speaking Norwegian, I think you missed the most important part about the juggling balls -- they contain Arduinos with gravity sensors etc.. The spectral snakes sound very much like Struct by Outracks, which was indeed shown (it got 3rd place in the democompo last year). > Perhaps using an rtp based streaming method, particularly over ipv6, > will give you a better result next year. RTP/RSTP would be interesting, although I have no experience with it properly. How does it work wrt. yielding to TCP? How well does it traverse NATs? (We do full stack and have done for years, but unfortunately most of our external audience has no IPv6 yet.) The intro compo is starting soon, and then the demo compo (right now, freestyle video). /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/