From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.vyatta.com (mail.vyatta.com [76.74.103.46]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3E421F159 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.vyatta.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF1C14102A6; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:55:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at tahiti.vyatta.com Received: from mail.vyatta.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.vyatta.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GXb0OC7CM5Xx; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nehalam.linuxnetplumber.net (static-50-53-80-93.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.53.80.93]) by mail.vyatta.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BE03414102A5; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:55:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 17:54:17 -0800 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Hagen Paul Pfeifer Message-ID: <20130107175417.3b87e0ce@nehalam.linuxnetplumber.net> In-Reply-To: <20130107233732.GE3635@nuttenaction> References: <20130107233732.GE3635@nuttenaction> Organization: Vyatta Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat Paper X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 01:55:41 -0000 The tone of the paper is a bit of "if academics don't analyze it to death it must not exist". The facts are interesting, but the interpretation ignores the human element. If human's perceive delay "Daddy the Internet is slow", then they will change their behavior to avoid the problem: "it hurts when I download, so I will do it later".