From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from exout104.netflix.com (exout104.netflix.com [69.53.237.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "exout104.netflix.com", Issuer "CERTISSUER101" (not verified)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4E4620016C for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:52:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=s2048;d=netflix.com; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to :content-type:mime-version; bh=kLI8wbg5zrXDHpuWlVEa+R0LLyA=; b=TBSsc8qyqKywBf7+YJzWF5fOqHGPsyBXhl7TBH9jAJvO7ZRx8v4dHJCejgiDNKA2F0byQIt7 Hb/jp0fMwcFmnD426fL6UaSfiA/k2RUzUVPx4yy/Ty0Z4FiYy2ZLYHjGoS7poe/gycFDDWFf SCc9BykGz9gHDVDyWMk7vC1gPqeigF9o6xXd4BxWoxyXuws8d7ccSqxNkMoIvC/smUMSJ2zC cvW3UZDYahZ8CZJpQZ2r4cfptpsKEW6QIQ1xuGTN+8RPnH4R7gNJo10rtJvuqmdOJ9UxSZhW Bz5BN5iWe5eMz/GAnDlwNvSdmGYoi8EoliuYcBduhVMcOY+k7bvbww== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s2048;d=netflix.com; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to :content-type:mime-version; b=mm63R0YZO3Rgl5/DkYmr8ujechT6L7d/ibYCot6Tb8l3etz4+ovZHf31namg7OI6zhYLRpVk egncDOsxx728WFoQPEn5Bsh3x4IubxLEownnSeibcWJQNgx+XFdk0P/opSLCAhU236msqn9O FDbwBmzUQUii3DrfS7v7PmHBRCwYzZyIkO9k2t/4M2OVh5Id7k1GfwWsYmxzrx8xf7mauosH Ar8+vx31iaEGEhELe0s3Mt9bOwJnM1zJRIPFEU8CU4ps7AGMT5Uue4LVN7txa3ucICMflrc7 KNqujOMuVoz64iOMe2TV+MHTtiEZMOuE0JMRNrEsACXuAjh+90CYDA== Received: from EXFE101.corp.netflix.com (10.64.32.161) by exout104.netflix.com (10.64.240.74) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.298.4; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:52:48 -0800 Received: from EXMB106.corp.netflix.com ([169.254.6.135]) by exfe101.corp.netflix.com ([10.64.32.161]) with mapi id 14.02.0283.003; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:52:53 -0800 From: Mark Watson To: Dave Taht Thread-Topic: [Bloat] Bufferbloat Paper Thread-Index: AQHN7TAJqXNpgeBkzEa69boR6yDO4Zg/G0uAgAAZfYA= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 04:52:52 +0000 Message-ID: <09F59659-62CD-4D14-A3F9-5223CCD274DD@netflix.com> References: <20130107233732.GE3635@nuttenaction> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.32.82] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <48D1DB9199A4E44E8E2C32A0D3C5C416@netflix.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat Paper X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:52:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20130108045252.6YS6UigHXBLqQ5BB7RTJTB6BVsTAmkjwb_8f_a8tILs@z> On Jan 7, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > "We use a packet trace collection taken from the Case Con- > nection Zone (CCZ) [1] experimental fiber-to-the-home net- > work which connects roughly 90 homes adjacent to Case > Western Reserve University=92s campus with **bi-directional 1 Gbps > links**. " >=20 > Aside from their dataset having absolutely no reflection on the > reality of the 99.999% of home users running at speeds two or three or > *more* orders of magnitude below that speed, it seems like a nice > paper. Actually they analyze the delay between the measurement point in CCZ and th= e *remote* peer, splitting out residential and non-residential peers. 57% o= f the peers are residential. Sounds like a lot of the traffic is p2p. You c= ould argue that the remote, residential p2p peers are not on "typical" conn= ections and that this traffic doesn't follow the time-of-day usage patterns= expected for applications with a live human in front of them. ...Mark >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Hagen Paul Pfeifer wrote= : >>=20 >> FYI: "Comments on Bufferbloat" paper from Mark Allman >>=20 >>=20 >> http://www.icir.org/mallman/papers/bufferbloat-ccr13.pdf >>=20 >>=20 >> Cheers, Hagen >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Dave T=E4ht >=20 > Fixing bufferbloat with cerowrt: http://www.teklibre.com/cerowrt/subscrib= e.html > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >=20