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* [Bloat] tc linklayer ADSL calc broken after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates)
@ 2013-05-29 13:13 Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  2013-05-29 15:52 ` Eric Dumazet
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer @ 2013-05-29 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stephen Hemminger, Eric Dumazet, David Miller, j.vimal,
	Michal Soltys, Mike Frysinger, Jussi Kivilinna, Patrick McHardy,
	Jiri Pirko
  Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, netdev, Steven Barth, bloat,
	Jiri Benc, Felix Fietkau


I recently discovered that the (traffic control) tc linklayer
calculations for ATM/ADSL have been broken by:
 commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates).

Thus, people shaping on ADSL links, using e.g.:
 tc class add ... htb rate X ceil Y linklayer atm overhead 10

Will no-longer get ATM cell tax/overhead adjusted.

How can we solve/fix this?
Perhaps we can change to use the "stab" system instead (as it does
not seem to be broken by the commit).

But how do we facilitate a change to use "stab" system (for all the
scripts using the old option)?

Can we change the iproute2/tc command to handle this transparently, or
should we give an error/warning if someone uses "tc" and "linklayer" on
a kernel above v.3.8. ?


History:
 - My linklayer ATM changes appeared in kernel 2.6.24 (and iproute2 2.6.25)
 - The STAB changes appeared in kernel 2.6.27

-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Sr. Network Kernel Developer at Red Hat
  Author of http://www.iptv-analyzer.org
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer

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* Re: [Bloat] tc linklayer ADSL calc broken after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates)
@ 2013-05-30  4:20 Hagen Paul Pfeifer
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 25+ messages in thread
From: Hagen Paul Pfeifer @ 2013-05-30  4:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Dumazet
  Cc: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen, Mike Frysinger, Jiri Pirko,
	netdev, Jiri Benc, Steven Barth, bloat, David Miller,
	Jussi Kivilinna, Michal Soltys, Patrick McHardy, Felix Fietkau

Not sure if suitable but netem rate have a cell mechanism as well. See man netem

Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> schrieb:

>On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 15:50 -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 May 2013 08:52:04 -0700
>> Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 15:13 +0200, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
>> > > I recently discovered that the (traffic control) tc linklayer
>> > > calculations for ATM/ADSL have been broken by:
>> > >  commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates).
>> > > 
>> > > Thus, people shaping on ADSL links, using e.g.:
>> > >  tc class add ... htb rate X ceil Y linklayer atm overhead 10
>> > > 
>> > > Will no-longer get ATM cell tax/overhead adjusted.
>> > > 
>> > > How can we solve/fix this?
>> > > Perhaps we can change to use the "stab" system instead (as it does
>> > > not seem to be broken by the commit).
>> > > 
>> > > But how do we facilitate a change to use "stab" system (for all the
>> > > scripts using the old option)?
>> > > 
>> > > Can we change the iproute2/tc command to handle this transparently, or
>> > > should we give an error/warning if someone uses "tc" and "linklayer" on
>> > > a kernel above v.3.8. ?
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > History:
>> > >  - My linklayer ATM changes appeared in kernel 2.6.24 (and iproute2 2.6.25)
>> > >  - The STAB changes appeared in kernel 2.6.27
>> > > 
>> > 
>> > Hi Jesper
>> > 
>> > stab suffers from the same problem : its table driven, so works only for
>> > packet smaller than a given size.
>> > 
>> > I am not sure it will solve the ATM logic (with the 5 bytes overhead per
>> > 48 bytes cell)
>> > 
>> > btw, even on old kernels :
>> 
>> 
>> How bad is the failure? If it is fixed, will it break existing installations?
>> 
>> Which probably means, is anyone but the original developers ever using it
>> and therefore likely to notice?
>
>Adding the logic on the kernel is doable, by adding some clean
>attributes so that tc can setup the feature, and report the attributes
>back.
>
>cpus are fast today and can perform the atm cell/overhead faster than a
>table lookup.
>
>
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2013-05-29 13:13 [Bloat] tc linklayer ADSL calc broken after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-29 15:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-29 22:50   ` Stephen Hemminger
2013-05-29 23:18     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-30  9:15       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-30  9:52         ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2013-05-30  0:34     ` Dave Taht
2013-05-30  8:09     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-30  7:51   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-30 14:39     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-30 15:55       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-02 21:15 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 12:13 ` [Bloat] Bad shaping at low rates, " Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-04 15:18   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 15:55     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 16:02       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 17:11         ` [Bloat] [PATCH] net_sched: htb: do not mix 1ns and 64ns time units Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 20:21           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-04 20:26             ` Dave Taht
2013-06-04 21:02               ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 20:50             ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-05  0:44           ` David Miller
2013-06-06 13:55 ` [Bloat] RFC: Proposed fix for tc linklayer calc broken after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-06 14:28   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-30  4:20 [Bloat] tc linklayer ADSL " Hagen Paul Pfeifer

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