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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@redhat.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>,
	"Mike Frysinger" <vapier@gentoo.org>,
	"Jiri Benc" <jbenc@redhat.com>, "Jiri Pirko" <jpirko@redhat.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net,
	"Patrick McHardy" <kaber@trash.net>,
	"Steven Barth" <cyrus@openwrt.org>,
	"russell-tcatm@stuart.id.au" <russell-tcatm@stuart.id.au>,
	"David Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	"Jussi Kivilinna" <jussi.kivilinna@mbnet.fi>,
	"Felix Fietkau" <nbd@nbd.name>, "Michal Soltys" <soltys@ziu.info>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] tc linklayer ADSL calc broken after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 11:15:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130530111547.07397287@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1369869506.5109.87.camel@edumazet-glaptop>


On Wed, 29 May 2013 16:18:26 -0700
Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 15:50 -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 May 2013 08:52:04 -0700
> > Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 15:13 +0200, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> > > > I recently discovered that the (traffic control) tc linklayer
> > > > calculations for ATM/ADSL have been broken by:
> > > >  commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates).
> > > > 
> > > > Thus, people shaping on ADSL links, using e.g.:
> > > >  tc class add ... htb rate X ceil Y linklayer atm overhead 10
> > > > 
> > > > Will no-longer get ATM cell tax/overhead adjusted.
> > > > 
> 
> Adding the logic on the kernel is doable, by adding some clean
> attributes so that tc can setup the feature, and report the attributes
> back.

Yes, doing the logic in the kernel might be a better solution.
But the question is how do we keep iproute2 backward compatible with
older kernels?



> cpus are fast today and can perform the atm cell/overhead faster than
> a table lookup.

Do remember that the target CPU is small embedded router boxes.
BUT I do agree that, the following code required, is probably faster
than a table lookup:

 int pkt_len = skb->len + (encap_overhead * gso_segments);
 int wire_sz = DIV_ROUND_UP(pkt_len,48)*53;

(I suspect, that the compiler might even optimize and remove any
real divisions, I bet Eric can tell us.)

Looking at how simple the above code is, I'm a little appalled by all
the table lookup infrastructure and hacks we added, to
support/implement this.

-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Sr. Network Kernel Developer at Red Hat
  Author of http://www.iptv-analyzer.org
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-30  9:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-29 13:13 Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-29 15:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-29 22:50   ` Stephen Hemminger
2013-05-29 23:18     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-30  9:15       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2013-05-30  9:52         ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2013-05-30  0:34     ` Dave Taht
2013-05-30  8:09     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-30  7:51   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-05-30 14:39     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-30 15:55       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-02 21:15 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 12:13 ` [Bloat] Bad shaping at low rates, " Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-04 15:18   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 15:55     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 16:02       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 17:11         ` [Bloat] [PATCH] net_sched: htb: do not mix 1ns and 64ns time units Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 20:21           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-04 20:26             ` Dave Taht
2013-06-04 21:02               ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-04 20:50             ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-05  0:44           ` David Miller
2013-06-06 13:55 ` [Bloat] RFC: Proposed fix for tc linklayer calc broken after commit 56b765b79 (htb: improved accuracy at high rates) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2013-06-06 14:28   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-05-30  4:20 [Bloat] tc linklayer ADSL " Hagen Paul Pfeifer

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