From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pa0-f44.google.com (mail-pa0-f44.google.com [209.85.220.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A876421F181 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id lj1so5783585pab.31 for ; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=sBFZ/Xm9pL1QKs/3tqSBSz51PTry+tL3D+kTpNkce4c=; b=c3vT4xVcZF+Zly8ZEuybdk70JTCx/cNXC2nn9hFOeXJt4u7dZSUYcIKX8zYL97QzNU r494FYGy9gJ6bVfhsERlZROpNGVwymy9RjJdKdvusw+ltIy6K5hHFuxajVZAesrRztJW S07gdbE6KoBjL+ilBA1tjBaX8Ke0to7HiQwcfSSHw2p7wVWURfIpP+xMKddP5Cgvr3UR awr0h5FKB0WMa81sgSqNQOEeODokDJ38yOTCLmAtJfm2TNpSgJVnzDZo0fbLbeJydTDk xMGTA7JPwF9Odk/oQV9iuYnpU/e4hIq0R4mQU6ZhIPl5txRVCy4RmBb5fWrLeM5biMsg 4l4w== X-Received: by 10.66.102.6 with SMTP id fk6mr29359701pab.184.1373392599848; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nehalam.linuxnetplumber.net (static-50-53-71-109.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net. [50.53.71.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xl3sm29416912pbb.17.2013.07.09.10.56.38 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Jul 2013 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:56:36 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Jaume Barcelo Message-ID: <20130709105636.61f590cc@nehalam.linuxnetplumber.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmPmPkdLBHYmPzjLQO47S1S8cHzokdmkNpcNTCbiV0BK91Ca/ssBxgBgVFClMwklWdvDAsB Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] sweet tcp X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:56:41 -0000 On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 19:38:40 +0200 Jaume Barcelo wrote: > To be more specific, TCP would be at any time increasing or decreasing > the congestion window. In other words, it will be moving in one > direction (right or left) along the x axis of Fig. 1 of Getty's paper. > Each RTT, the performance is measured in terms of delay and > throughput. If there is a performance improvement, we keep moving in > the same direction. If there is a performance loss, we change the > direction. TCP can not get a reliable measure of RTT. This is the whole reason that delay based algorithms are not widely deployed and don't work outside the lab. The issue is that other traffic perturbs RTT measurements have a huge variance on a real network (more noise than signal).