From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pd0-f180.google.com (mail-pd0-f180.google.com [209.85.192.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA53921F22A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pd0-f180.google.com with SMTP id q10so4077011pdj.39 for ; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gJw/lAjGg5V83Ek5pGLoMr7zOYthmIw/rRalAxNv4to=; b=kh7iJw2WMm5UklnF8ey+nkLZ4h4Ktydv1UPgWaZSTGFKV2lU4Xehwm99QyBBpd7xEx GCvvtYolkJGGEqFCeMwQsfcJQinb/VIbR0bE+UyEfDCa49JyaMrY+9SIPTZuwRN+q50G XFCl2unXDXcDo/eHSnYZbwfaJ/sY1g/ohvj/ixSt8Qq2dEttmwuETROpZeJSdO6pWLrT xxW7aQDS8XTXwyKw0SSoU0b2Ui7gK4wBHIxZ4v62NagWde0l6hRX2AG/EmRmtPQl8yU8 +G+nLFMgpUyh07v0bC/Wjz1mk/QHTFm+S5aW2sssbQ+b7eUXzfxUwAaIvpoZXaSGXvq0 M8Hw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmujjs3FPZ946ZkPPeuf/kJNe34hoCKd0QgXvYi1S56hLpRIPxSwxkEgEc8YJdITzyr8XNw X-Received: by 10.66.150.69 with SMTP id ug5mr17380209pab.55.1386544566159; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nehalam.linuxnetplumber.net (static-50-53-83-51.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net. [50.53.83.51]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fk4sm18695489pab.23.2013.12.08.15.16.05 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:16:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:16:03 -0800 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Hal Murray Message-ID: <20131208151603.2bb00158@nehalam.linuxnetplumber.net> In-Reply-To: <20131208204152.B9918406062@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> References: <20131208204152.B9918406062@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] curious..... X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:16:07 -0000 On Sun, 08 Dec 2013 12:41:52 -0800 Hal Murray wrote: > > > Even at 1000 symmetric I still think it would be a good idea to isolate > > really latency critical traffic from the rest, even if under normal > > circumstances there should be no problem, I guess a "better safe than sorry" > > approach. But, hey I do not do this for a living so I might be on the wrong > > track here. > > The problem is who gets to decide what is latency critical and/or how to do > it such that the bad-guys can't game the system. > > Has somebody made a list of various interesting cases, and where they break? > > > > That is why Diffserv only makes sense within a trusted domain. Most ISP's just ignore DSCP.