From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from darwin.kenyonralph.com (darwin.kenyonralph.com [IPv6:2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe93:b0d1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DFE621F738 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darwin.kenyonralph.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by darwin.kenyonralph.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE452E0A1 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:41:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple; d=kenyonralph.com; h=date :from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; s=postfix; bh=rY+Ht5hkKPf+QLX1afTQpXrkang=; b=ETcM 6VZsBzZv5jlaf680PTfMm9rBa5SmEJC3sIrU/GV2ahWbp4Ji1DwD6JnJrFdhGWOu 8Y9j11ZwkYUdVBvUiypsmHXf1eHcDXD/Y0fo+V8jBcOEa3/XK4fPls8ZNAfK4kII LusNk8/5dkCXjgsfjUyFgqlCH3yQMQJD+JFHktc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=simple; d=kenyonralph.com; h=date :from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :in-reply-to; q=dns; s=postfix; b=POCsRoiPNmFOC6BYNV0mP3E/YVUifC zXiDNtwoajFzMTBRImE7j68G/zh+WHSlicaMzVkFqmzpmoqAossCoTi3OkHgRAfu 6vpRGq1yvrKBU2FgcFPJJ2CaGpB8Aq6YDcteXOF/NkJdtk0jAwZOAnU9B0OUGG0J JLYhKhq3kiFuw= Received: by darwin.kenyonralph.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E40C8E09F; Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:41:17 -0700 From: Kenyon Ralph To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <20140828184117.GA20368@kenyonralph.com> Mail-Followup-To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <000001cfbefe$69194c70$3b4be550$@duckware.com> <000901cfc2c2$c21ae460$4650ad20$@duckware.com> <2A5BB518-351B-4598-AF79-7088D640AA06@gmail.com> <000301cfc2db$f655d3c0$e3017b40$@duckware.com> <53FF6E56.8070800@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <53FF6E56.8070800@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Dark Problem with AQM in the Internet? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:41:18 -0000 --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2014-08-28T20:00:54+0200, Jan Ceuleers wrote: > On 08/28/2014 06:35 PM, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > > When a message is lost due to an error, how do you determine whose fault > > it is? >=20 > Links need to be engineered for the optimum combination of power, > bandwidth, overhead and residual error that meets requirements. I agree > with your implied point that a single error is unlikely to be indicative > of a real problem, but a link not meeting requirements is someone's fault. >=20 > So like Jerry I'd be interested in an ability for endpoints to be able > to collect statistics on per-hop loss probabilities so that admins can > hold their providers accountable. Here is some relevant work: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3D2417573 "Measurement and Analysis of Internet Interconnection and Congestion" --=20 Kenyon Ralph --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJT/3fNAAoJEJj/PvnJuRLVPTMP/iCf28zaqz+mtBYv30DCBb9X tg6TQrxm2iDSk4ASlGF4AAKVfRRsKVMYX6JEf/snlOmqNqU39ncXkc8dtVb0DUjt 1ZS/r2IJo4H88hlRNhAxhU9H81YRAXbSsSiijm20mpaewYvF/yVORYRxSEPB+3rT CWV3EJ/bOeKFa7djTslBoVmu8OEqDZEKUItQzHmYnMw23MIlO9lssAAdl1SFEOMl eM5uddAsxRoWnT1l7a08gc2PdqTKvxvQuFffYKEWIWUciJKZe7+f+HvH0oxok5J3 2GCk2PuVYGobL8XXJM1a1J08QZHQY7qaBPovga9Xqz8HIv+eGxoDxPUSTW3GNfcg Kf29twZmDREqf6UhR79Qkeu6kmtTz/FeNRf0v6k+MK9Xrcar1bLnDXTnhBO9tHpM /B43nRiIR+g8wG4XWOZ5VGxBHcgpdJRP3bMin9RMuUcm5tecLpGFpzseWqdZXh83 RSJU4Oig0ZvaK6Eezvol7hmg+1q3/a1waLgr74+CoCjyPSXNvSUkpQQ43r+fxPpf c+465DhRo0opDTamPoh/ozLFfM74TyVWfd+DSu6yXlUdKzusrFYM28fEM1F/qyB3 i3PxX4Kq6917YMtulW5v5f0toXNCY3ZIZDEilpAnj1J9+I6P2d6Pca8iOiy1nYPK SCeMeae0SwUefxoJVxLG =9759 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v--