From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com (mail-pa0-f42.google.com [209.85.220.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E47F621F24C for ; Wed, 8 Apr 2015 15:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by paboj16 with SMTP id oj16so128219307pab.0 for ; Wed, 08 Apr 2015 15:18:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=K53eAnTcT48tdIl2l96utQmYXvdzKb4pY/2868ravsY=; b=lqnkzyqJlwYs+q1/ti1hzUjwjOKVPZlvV8gIMKWXXmo1lxxoLBzlHZ4cV2AufMjODj qj1lZQquRV8nCUUY5MVN0gXAWuXErk0JXYoE50oCUVb1bmz3Ky9Bph2cJQG05roPLT7R fO6uWOoa+vfsVe2G5FfbcTOf5QMYcPOyhWMpOhBEGx8jcQFlkLqCYYPFHdkXZ0Hrfo9K 4yZfyKrNjDZ7InhQrHYK66htqiRTo/k8JVmALU0WTxrNZm4ueYjFFnaNenpS0J5fezg3 CSVBh5PjQAllaGgyJss8xUtg04liMXX6awaXRSPYz2XdTYyAkBcpaxBjWvGo6SHEoBKu 3bAw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkpjFoBxcB6F1Mji0YhygHRtV5f3k/cSjV3AyNvlnWkGf+py/9Jv0/8RrsmQTJ5d0Hx26S1 X-Received: by 10.68.132.134 with SMTP id ou6mr48888286pbb.121.1428531509011; Wed, 08 Apr 2015 15:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from urahara (static-50-53-82-155.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net. [50.53.82.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ia3sm8764427pbc.31.2015.04.08.15.18.28 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 08 Apr 2015 15:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 15:18:33 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Alex Elsayed Message-ID: <20150408151833.6df30df0@urahara> In-Reply-To: References: <20150408080549.znwuh3b28wco4g8g@webmail.cs.aplus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Question about Buffer Bloat and Verizon Fios X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 22:18:58 -0000 On Wed, 08 Apr 2015 09:56:48 -0700 Alex Elsayed wrote: > Dave Taht wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:05 AM, wrote: > > >> Reason is Verizon has a combo router/modem. > > > > They CAN be configured in a bridge mode if you desire, but you can > > usually just put cero in front of it to do everything else > > (shaping/wifi) and be golden. > > > > See the intertubes for how to switch to bridging verizon gear (if you > > want to). It is overly complex. > > > > There's actually even more nuance to it than that: > > FiOS (although, I thought that was owned by Frontier now? It certainly was > when I had it up here [.wa.us]) with TV service requires MoCA (Multimedia > over CoAxial), and thus requires the use of their (awful) combined > router/wifi/MoCA bridge that connects to the ONT (Optical Network Terminal) > over MoCA. In that case, you need to set it up to bridge to your own router > behind it, &c. > > However, if you are using internet/phone-only FiOS service, you can get the > service technician to hook your router directly to the ONT via Ethernet, as > it supports both. > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat I am using the weird double bridge through the FioS router into a Netgear WNDR3800 and it is stable. The issue is that the Actiontec box does not bring everything back up after power cycle (so it is on a UPS). An alternative is to use a pair of MOCA modems to do MOCA to Ethernet (and back to get to the DVR box). But it requires a bunch of changing of MOCA frequencies; so I haven't gotten around to setting it up.