From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cassarossa.samfundet.no (cassarossa.samfundet.no [IPv6:2001:67c:29f4::29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9565B21F3E4 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 12:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pannekake.samfundet.no ([2001:67c:29f4::50] ident=unknown) by cassarossa.samfundet.no with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YgI6u-0000sR-N3 for bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 21:27:32 +0200 Received: from sesse by pannekake.samfundet.no with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YgI6u-000917-GH for bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net; Thu, 09 Apr 2015 21:27:32 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 21:27:32 +0200 From: "Steinar H. Gunderson" To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <20150409192732.GA27934@sesse.net> References: <473265656416337848@unknownmsgid> <4077D77B-6C1A-47DF-989C-76B4B99AF863@icloud.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 3.18.4 on a x86_64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [Bloat] [aqm] the cisco pie patent and IETF IPR filing X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 19:28:05 -0000 On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 12:24:03PM -0700, Dave Taht wrote: > disagree with me, thinking that aqm + ecn alone is safe to deploy, and > obviously I promote fq_codel derived stuff on routers (and sch_fq on > well protected servers), far more than pie, although I am careful to > maintain that I can´t wait to see pie (without ecn) on cablemodems one > day RSN. Can you elaborate on what you mean by “well protected”? I usually recommend sch_fq for end hosts pretty much uncritically, so if there's a snag, I'd love to hear about it. /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/