From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com (mail-pa0-f49.google.com [209.85.220.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 185AF208AAD for ; Fri, 15 May 2015 17:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pacwv17 with SMTP id wv17so36496730pac.2 for ; Fri, 15 May 2015 17:17:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JnDZBuqNnBdEZU3x6UZMx9DIqb1hPX3mCrJ1XYGeTJ4=; b=FNJOT/SuP03DK1QivM+GXSjOzfwjFgWoNM6dCTpCOIyp25VKZsw6Yw6kM0aSbWf1FH T6ouNyfeBW/ia1FCXYsghsTfpa2c7GlVHGzWM6EvO7YWwQOFjTQ61jYuL1hKZcHW+EYv 6fNZ8eIVMZTREictEIm+hpsRaLIrWlP2zTCV85PaKKmWM37nCa8ih9/W/cl7YY+yJIXN BtdJPmdyfQmipS/yiYQSbTDbvifkF5rcqDoVK+LX08Kt81/6wIx6D15jQpf0VUdl2/o3 RRg04d8C3HqEQvtKJg1dcwgk36EPvtpt12auU65jGrp5tbTJFaEd5UajIx3Ev1yAOoJa nZEw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkeAlMMXlhCNzwfvbIXoJVbM1durw9bm2w0VynPJ/W8e3SHZHLS9N3WZliYqkQ+nTxBbgjk X-Received: by 10.66.120.196 with SMTP id le4mr22849385pab.53.1431735474609; Fri, 15 May 2015 17:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from urahara (static-50-53-82-155.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net. [50.53.82.155]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ia3sm2966843pbc.31.2015.05.15.17.17.54 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 15 May 2015 17:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 17:17:57 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Jim Gettys Message-ID: <20150515171757.0536e589@urahara> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] General Bufferbloat Testing Document. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 May 2015 00:18:52 -0000 On Fri, 15 May 2015 12:16:56 -0400 Jim Gettys wrote: > Even before I knew about the wonderful DSLreports bufferbloat test, I had > started working on a document to help people like that (e.g. Ookla) > understand how to do bufferbloat testing. The document also grew a bit > beyond that topic, by the time it was done.... > > The document is at: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z5NN4WRKQKK-RtxtKR__XIwkybvsKEmunek2Ezdw_90/edit?usp=sharing > > Comments welcome. > > It's intended long term home is the bufferbloat.net wiki, but I've found > Google doc's commenting feature really useful. > - Jim Great to see, I think it does a good job of being detailed without overwhelmingly research oriented. What makes you believe SPDY and QUIC will be better than TCP? I know they do pacing but if they get the rate estimation wrong or get hit by transient congestion it could have same failing that doomed TCP Vegas.