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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Benjamin Cronce <bcronce@gmail.com>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] TCP congestion detection - random thoughts
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2015 21:50:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150621215052.0fbdcace@uryu.home.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ_ENFHOO28_SxQXhvAc6W=WHhA6Lp4Gec5C1u0zGkWLH-LitQ@mail.gmail.com>

You just reinvented delay based congestion control. 
This has been tried int many forms dating back to TCP Vegas.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_Vegas

Unfortunately, it often failed in practice (which no one ever
wanted to publish), Some of the reasons are:
* Delay based CC is sensitive to cross traffic congestion
  where the perceived congestion event was not caused by
  that flow. I.e other elephant stomps on ant.
* Delay based CC is not aggressive enough to compete with
  loss-based CC. Vegas flows lose to Reno.
* Delay based CC requires careful tuning, one variant was FAST TCP
  which was highly tuned for 1G networks in research. It went proprietary
  never heard how well it works in modern networks.
* Delay based CC was sensitive to middleboxes, polling intervals
  and other timing effects in the wild.
* RTT data has a noise to signal ratio, a flow has to be
  consistently maintaining a given rate in order to get
  consistent feedback.

Google has some delay based congestion control that is promised
to be released some time, I am waiting.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-22  1:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-21 16:19 Benjamin Cronce
2015-06-21 17:05 ` Alan Jenkins
2015-06-21 17:33   ` Jonathan Morton
2015-06-21 19:34   ` Benjamin Cronce
2015-06-21 17:53 ` G B
2015-06-22  1:50 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2015-06-22 15:55 ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2015-06-22 16:12   ` Dave Taht
2015-06-23  5:20 Ingemar Johansson S

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