From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pa0-f45.google.com (mail-pa0-f45.google.com [209.85.220.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9513721FA17 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by padhy16 with SMTP id hy16so84088436pad.1 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:40:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Uqf8VPLyv7XuBC5iozodbmTs+x27+2d1bO2/HyiT14M=; b=T1Xs4S1q1p1kXJKox7KtgfjYr97IzAt9qDkdXBGueF1M015Rc8NEpQdXI+3z//jYfi 96i7j+iJogfvpcf8DEkBhK+ytPSZds7Yu8LRN7VJRXXFJlOGhRy2VT8lvUn21AIVBgQE ViDlFAOVTpQNzlzRc4t4B2yd/61BM78DS+PV3jiPlBoD508T4/Q1Bsf8Dsq+nr5Qm8o/ V8UX8aFyn1xCxyrL9CEiSp8rPv6xKrQE4M9gmK+dXHPKfV0Lvt4lpHAB1UmYemLlZ28C lQ4i5zRVOjjC+e/P929TF+zBwpThTh7t6tK/gHtvVjFY3R8xyS5q3Kw9pacX2/yWT8sS 5YIw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlr7kL62oma9tepUivmTYOIQyxLjzwOxhRTDQtLWBpCi3d1Bqryz+8dhvn1Q7bQAGoE90xW X-Received: by 10.66.136.237 with SMTP id qd13mr2399908pab.84.1443130825499; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from urahara (static-50-53-82-155.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net. [50.53.82.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fu4sm202862pbb.59.2015.09.24.14.40.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:40:35 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Rich Brown Message-ID: <20150924144035.15d5770a@urahara> In-Reply-To: <613994C4-0B20-4673-97DD-9690AA53F67F@gmail.com> References: <5603E202.5060606@rogers.com> <613994C4-0B20-4673-97DD-9690AA53F67F@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] LWN article discussing the FCC blunder, as well a VW's (The Internet of criminal things) X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 21:40:48 -0000 On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:30:14 -0400 Rich Brown wrote: > Would you provide a link to the FCC article (for those of us who don't have a LWN subscription)? Thanks. > > > On Sep 24, 2015, at 7:44 AM, David Collier-Brown wrote: > > > > http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/658198/233be09044fdb1e5/ > > -- > > David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify > > System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest > > davecb@spamcop.net | -- Mark Twain > > _______________________________________________ > > Bloat mailing list > > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > I think David is talking about this paragraph: > Cars are not the only vehicle (so to speak) for software that can hide user-hostile antifeatures. In the US, the Federal Communications Commission is currently pondering changes that would make it far harder to put free software onto WiFi devices. One need not even consider the damage such rules may do to free-software development, which has been the primary source of innovation and improvement in this area, to see where such rules could lead. We cannot expect corporations, many of which show levels of restraint inferior to that of a typical toddler, to resist the temptation to put spyware or malware into their widely distributed devices sitting in privileged positions on thousands of networks. We cannot really even trust them to adhere to the spectrum rules that are the motivation for the proposed restrictions; VW's lack of respect for emissions rules has made that clear.