From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from snark.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A5E20004C for ; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 07:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E3B22C00A6; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 10:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 10:41:47 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: bloat Message-ID: <20151008144147.GB5171@thyrsus.com> References: <561679A7.80400@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <561679A7.80400@rogers.com> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [Bloat] ESR's comment popped up on slashdot X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 14:42:46 -0000 I meant everything I said in that comment - I don't think dtaht's worthy effort rang the "national security" bell anywhere near hard enough, either as a matter of substance or as a rhetorical move. But I was also thinking tactically about how my comment would implicitly reposition the others. What I think I've done here is change the debate's Overton window - extend the range of thinkable proposals - and thus made the Taht/Cerf and Perens proposals look conservative and moderate. dtaht, sorry about not being involved in the last day's editing but I got to a point where I thought writing my own broadside would actually help yours more than a bunch of minor revisions. -- Eric S. Raymond