From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg0-x22e.google.com (mail-pg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7C4E3B260 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 11:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pg0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id f188so58552254pgc.3 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:59:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=networkplumber-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vng9xIGHNm5wx2/Sd9a6bJKmW7VB8g0aYMzDy5HBjj4=; b=AOvrxG5J5BCOC2tutOW4kxtHzgBeu493IaQcClHVELJpef6w0yMGAxT+hoEmyvoasc Y8RvHsoUFoANwfLrUk3OAsa6xZimt10IKbz/IBYRBCHYu7RwXzJyyPEf0cBjyOPMPJjs nmLqBTpNJGWteK1xxylyhD/036yXKAKGLc9kR4H/osL2eiTM+zvOCxdcKrsCodiACXHt WexBY4BMf+9/UjDEJv5WcSccSo4rgoy9lhuZLjQ6VPBWR10hC1NHf+5Crnot80sKepAD 4P2so9ZUdghxr2X/smR9bKwANPGkQrCVXIgvux3LFDpIc9+C50XSUla1moTi7Vqj4f0g ag3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vng9xIGHNm5wx2/Sd9a6bJKmW7VB8g0aYMzDy5HBjj4=; b=YNyaQ5TGithYK7S5LEO2WFLtuMuKBTIDfig8Me07mEePpJMxlpAT6ZKmWq9l4L8v4g uzEmxntaoV3xRf5qmXBZdPj/lnoMdpovH6G8ysJ4qKTFkRuHbfdWYIEpq77QFnvIBDYl oqHRqbdtu40RDJpusm5rjK0wxblDfjv1f4+keOZ/7zhE3PB8EWPDd++JkPNvC1mBOLDs 8ZXPsHHXqpPG7aVLseOMwQYNS6WXFec0+hZ+QqRsWX2rofz/i8EJ4y9s1l1juB+Eh3AO 9DgY5cV00Eww4f6cm1bgtPmgOv7weY8lQJaLfmaLp85dt5XCF93DBg1Lj5u6gqniEAHB 4BjA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02OrQV7VaEodgWcQ6zqkhrYi+ZJv/DI+g0ngeMLPLrxe1E5OlrXeshIVRkkPKv/6Q== X-Received: by 10.99.140.77 with SMTP id q13mr41364131pgn.109.1480352339844; Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from samsung9.wavecable.com (204-195-18-65.wavecable.com. [204.195.18.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k67sm88600347pfk.69.2016.11.28.08.58.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:58:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:58:56 -0800 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Dave Taht Cc: Wesley Eddy , bloat Message-ID: <20161128085856.23ddfd70@samsung9.wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: References: <548F6875-8670-4784-8A4D-9D4E6F0F20BD@gmail.com> <65cde0ee-4cc8-22c8-5274-a4eafe9cf338@pollere.com> <229474f1-841f-60f9-0c7a-e613adac12fc@mti-systems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat in 2017 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 16:59:00 -0000 My experience has been that the media and developer attention span is short lived, and maybe that is part of the problem. Gaming is a niche market, and therefore is easily ignored; plus the classic gaming market is dying and I am not sure anyone is really investing in it. The current hot topic use case seems to be machine learning and voice interaction. I wonder if we could build a use case something related to that? "Ok Google, my house is on fire!!" -- "Sorry can not call fire department, network is congested".