From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt0-x231.google.com (mail-qt0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5212D3CB37 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 20:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x231.google.com with SMTP id z23so24450827qti.5 for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:04:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=vZR/9E0Hs0oteR/CHPgJ8uZHY/9jN46gm39olYMxCcU=; b=CgcB43SD+XSonvGJmDlnPVK57WyUUbGPHsZ7wfUen+5WiMwGlR62cBKcB5eCdvqXtm rPhbQgxoUgJ56DqF10k/9ziN44JpEOaipZCJazCaNx/6HXGBalSqI/DvtTTM69xOeQMT mwxzRObz/3QICiNahDpFEFvofZypnvkGbwazYTtGVV/oOxgyd2xBAccqFkWBxVzqZuHX puuVvPQAcTM7UMPjzqH2JUdCcSL5x1v8sMzgM6AsQpmKLGaRJxpLRJqHWs7dcVnKmxT2 3lvHSygqLnwDAjQrBqKWTjWHa3IwfQeWfN3xGV1jRI3Urm2/xCxibVsDeuAZdcvnprhQ jWZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=vZR/9E0Hs0oteR/CHPgJ8uZHY/9jN46gm39olYMxCcU=; b=JZHVUSXAF6bkSWdorKIAYj+k1frH7uPuzHxmobqMHtjon2HRBRfYKoonxgEeeVYHb/ OZNS3IWXKGhfkWbgcUKcGwqXB5AdvUjZ2Mu3aI4Lr6Ofpoj/w7KI2T6GioQ6Fsh/ULoY yAgHUO2prxid8r6fPeOfSsgMJvyFsJTy3k359xCxrXEymXeHAzBGytRaR3RMs8NPyVUD wA4N9QfuUldfqwTJUN+I0nPY/iKbp31/RaaIB0jnlnxBYslq2TlcXXh8VBTGgH9rX4Kq 7viU64MrB8N7TXdTeAKlGl/T+JjZYUXgBeTqBO07979sabwugiCT3VQjFDiMD4ju/sgP fnMA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tAtmzMelJaua7RSNoohqqRICk71drccuHP1bxu5Yuj0+mZMUkUF fsI1wXwntd9EqhxI70UeBdo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48sZ/BiabBF6QVPOHYeMfnPCroG6ko2X6MKaZg5sYlGkMlCtoF0No5P3CIUnPzE/+v60JCscg== X-Received: by 10.200.80.68 with SMTP id h4mr30521362qtm.105.1522886685719; Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([177.10.56.96]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c29sm5457063qtb.75.2018.04.04.17.04.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 04 Apr 2018 17:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 293E2180C1F; Wed, 4 Apr 2018 21:04:34 -0300 (-03) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2018 21:04:34 -0300 From: Marcelo Ricardo Leitner To: Luca Muscariello Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson , Jonathan Morton , bloat Message-ID: <20180405000434.GC8555@localhost.localdomain> References: <8DE589C3-9537-416D-AC7C-9250464869F9@gmail.com> <0ED5B59A-5C31-4F70-A2C9-04D9EA779A7B@ifi.uio.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2018 00:04:46 -0000 On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 01:06:22PM +0200, Luca Muscariello wrote: > I'm aware of this one. The last time I checked Linux patches seemed to be > abandoned. > Hit ratio could be v v low if you remove UDP encap. Look at IPSEC. And SCTP. > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 12:52 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson > wrote: > > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2018, Luca Muscariello wrote: > > > > And yes, flow queueing, absolutely. Flow isolation, becomes fundamental is > >> such a zoo, or jungle. > >> > > > > There was talk in IETF about a transport protocol that was proposed to do > > a lot of things TCP doesn't do, but still retain some things that has been > > useful with TCP. > > > > I think it was this one: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nvo3-gue/ > > > > I'd like to see it not over UDP, but rather as a native IP protocol. The > > talk was about having the network being able to look into the state machine > > of the protocol (MSS size, equivalent of SYN, etc) but not into payload > > (which would be end-to-end encrypted). It would also be able to do muxed > > streams/message based to avoid head-of-line-blocking because of single > > packet loss. > > > > So any of this that comes up then the whole FQ machinery might benefit > > frmo being able to identify flows in any new protocol, but I imagine this > > is not a hard thing to do. I still have hopes for the flow label in IPv6 to > > do this job, even though it hasn't seen wide adoption so far. > > > > > > -- > > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat