Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348

[Marcelo Ricardo Leitner <marcelo.leitner@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 09:38:02PM +0200, Michael Welzl wrote:
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On 4 Apr 2018, at 21:23, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> wrote:
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> > Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> How dead is posix these days? Ietf does not generally do apis well.
> > 
> > I disagree.
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> > IETF has lore says that it doesn't do APIs well, and so it's a
> > self-fullfiling prophecy.  Everyone knows it's true without any actual
> > evidence, so nobody tries.
> > 
> > Who does do APIs well today?  Microsoft's API story is a disaster,
> > so despite decades of market dominance, their networking APIs are not
> > defacto standard.  While it looks like Linux does APIs well, actually,
> > it just does a really good job at getting the public APIs implemented.
> > 
> > The IPv6 BSD sockets API is a roaring success.
> > It's just not enough given MIF, DNSSD, IPsec, LISP, etc.  The problem
> > space has expanded.
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> > The problem is getting API work funded across Google, Apple, MS, *BSD,
> > and Linux.
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> fwiw, apple is on board of taps and actively involved, and the neat
> project  ( www.neat-project.org ) made an open source library that
> runs on linux and bsd systems

Neat has a very interesting concept. If they can pull that out, it
will be very nice.