From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pf0-x235.google.com (mail-pf0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA5023B2A4 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x235.google.com with SMTP id z24-v6so1735054pfe.7 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:46:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=networkplumber-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wv5LQUTnx21aPC73J/Gsd9V3+Ls0dG1G0FRhWbdmFMY=; b=xlmaNf8ScgSkBaRAOvc9Pv4bQhZ6vwdfVXkdMgL71wRcK/HUlXnQElBJtkSUQE2s0l TBxwAyyT1+BVPUVeC7oGoSq4nhRPdlDOEhRer11ZDxEjhi3mrP+Q3OtbA5ar5gxUyowo HZVri7YVjJhg8tHx3q2ms9axrK/WSmKAWqPL4R+52GOtBXO2IjFavtUiYTCVvkfL35Wu 9B12mMNeycQvGpQV6/FVHLJ8JgOjtaeuqu/2sV7+V6xLcR6hl8hQUTjVGFQUmKM1T93b yJW8+vgJE4pR1/KWEC0kME7j1Nl6jJGvSpDiz1MWCofJL1W56hMXbLtZb/eZrMrkg1Qp qxBA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wv5LQUTnx21aPC73J/Gsd9V3+Ls0dG1G0FRhWbdmFMY=; b=JIx8eo9hyuhh1CiGOiblHysHXlqiZA7N3pKz8Y1rFhYMkn/Y33T11ylB1ci2oGVE3C SPRFEpgIMhaR0KOZKn3o7gp6GIkCHKB1nBx6Wr/L9y4RFpX42R4ltUICaY40B7WH67Qp vnp24yr1UCSwpGweslqZvgKW+PSGYLryggzCEzlGkwHFvjefJLefGDvKJ75kkFLjUz7n He3CoE9tadqFsexl19m39d/2AMterjrLmPGprhBAzHz28mQOY0/r1qZsbJTMmxBv6cPB quz+SuNHT/F4DhOBsucwppKWTa7Mfd3zZG3bMttEYbiWOlQn8Ih0QlBcnpceyf1OTj7L U/zQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1aaRJbGr0C1fzbUstohWgS5KIKpfaSn2e6rZMadht/YFk807ts KV2wEHq/lwHIz6PaMW5tS/tyPQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKhfCT3J7cuZKvtVyI56ieDGNYB2099xxw4ompSGYJBJqi3gHer3WnRn64O9Rrhwl1+P0f+pA== X-Received: by 2002:a62:fc8d:: with SMTP id e135-v6mr28056263pfh.208.1529595974802; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xeon-e3 (204-195-35-107.wavecable.com. [204.195.35.107]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g10-v6sm9545769pgs.17.2018.06.21.08.46.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:46:11 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Caleb Cushing Cc: Dave Taht , Make-Wifi-fast , bloat Message-ID: <20180621084611.32f29234@xeon-e3> In-Reply-To: References: <8736xgsdcp.fsf@toke.dk> <838b212e-7a8c-6139-1306-9e60bfda926b@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] lwn.net's tcp small queues vs wifi aggregation solved X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:46:15 -0000 On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:31:18 -0500 Caleb Cushing wrote: > actually... all of my devices, including my desktop connect through wifi > these days... and only one of them isn't running some variant of linux. > Sigh. My experience with wifi is that it is not stable enough for that. Both AP's I have tried Linksys ACM3200 or Netgear WNDR3800 I still see random drop outs. Not sure if these are device resets (ie workarounds) or other issues. These happen independent of firmware (vendor, OpenWRT, or LEDE). So my suspicion is the that Wifi hardware is shite and that firmware is trying to workaround and mask the problem.