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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 08:54:36 -0800
From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
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Subject: Re: [Bloat] ExLL: An Extremely Low-latency Congestion Control for
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:56:35 +0100
"Bless, Roland (TM)" <roland.bless@kit.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am 04.12.18 um 19:03 schrieb Dave Taht:
> > I guess someone could modify quic to do this also.
> > 
> > https://sci-hub.tw/https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=3281411.3281430  
> 
> It seems that it isn't "extremely low-latency" anymore if the bottleneck
> is not the LTE link...
> Moreover, is FAST TCP meanwhile free to use?

FAST TCP is patent encumbered.