* [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out
@ 2020-04-23 21:33 Dave Taht
2020-04-23 22:47 ` Matt Taggart
2020-04-26 11:24 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Dave Taht @ 2020-04-23 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Make-Wifi-fast, bloat
while they backported wireguard, I don't think they backported AQL
with the ath10k fixes. Sigh. Still, I have long tired of keeping 18.x
running or the 9 month experimental releases, and have been
considering switching to debian or arch or fedora... I was
disappointed to discover recently debian 10 and armbian are still
running pfifo_fast. Sure hope this is a good release....
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntu-20-04-arrives-with-linux-5-4-kernel-and-wireguard-vpn/
one of the really fun things about the torrent version of this
download is that I watch bittorrent *just fly* even with 50
connections open... cake just shrugs it off. seeding dozens of other
folk, doesn't hurt...
--
Make Music, Not War
Dave Täht
CTO, TekLibre, LLC
http://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-831-435-0729
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* Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out
2020-04-23 21:33 [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out Dave Taht
@ 2020-04-23 22:47 ` Matt Taggart
2020-04-24 5:49 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2020-04-26 11:24 ` [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
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From: Matt Taggart @ 2020-04-23 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bloat
On 4/23/20 2:33 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
> while they backported wireguard, I don't think they backported AQL
> with the ath10k fixes. Sigh. Still, I have long tired of keeping 18.x
> running or the 9 month experimental releases, and have been
> considering switching to debian or arch or fedora... I was
> disappointed to discover recently debian 10 and armbian are still
> running pfifo_fast.
Oh no! I swear I thought I filed a bug for that... I just found an
existing request and mailed an update to it
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#34
If you have anything to add concernting changing this (or other
defaults) please mail that bug. Let's get Debian up to date!
Thanks,
--
Matt Taggart
matt@lackof.org
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* Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out
2020-04-23 22:47 ` Matt Taggart
@ 2020-04-24 5:49 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
2020-04-24 8:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Hagen Paul Pfeifer @ 2020-04-24 5:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Matt Taggart; +Cc: bloat
* Matt Taggart | 2020-04-23 15:47:19 [-0700]:
>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#34
>
>If you have anything to add concernting changing this (or other defaults)
>please mail that bug. Let's get Debian up to date!
+1
Yes Dave, I think it's time to boost this bug report. Can you give your
comments and objections to the use of fifo fast? I think a little bit pressure
here and there and you will finally make many Debian users happier! ;-)
I don't know if the discussion will arise that fq_codel will not be the
perfect fit for everybody, thus the use of "safer pfifo_fast". I think we
should take care of the average user, professionals using Debian already know
what to configure and how - here we should focus on the average user (Laptop,
Desktop).
hgn
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* Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out
2020-04-24 5:49 ` Hagen Paul Pfeifer
@ 2020-04-24 8:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-04-26 6:10 ` Dave Taht
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Sebastian Moeller @ 2020-04-24 8:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Hagen Paul Pfeifer; +Cc: Matt Taggart, bloat
Dear all,
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 07:49, Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@jauu.net> wrote:
>
> * Matt Taggart | 2020-04-23 15:47:19 [-0700]:
>
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#34
>>
>> If you have anything to add concernting changing this (or other defaults)
>> please mail that bug. Let's get Debian up to date!
>
> +1
>
> Yes Dave, I think it's time to boost this bug report. Can you give your
> comments and objections to the use of fifo fast? I think a little bit pressure
> here and there and you will finally make many Debian users happier! ;-)
>
> I don't know if the discussion will arise that fq_codel will not be the
> perfect fit for everybody, thus the use of "safer pfifo_fast". I think we
So pfifo_fast employs a static precedence system in which high priority traffic can completely starve lower priority traffic, that is the opposite of safe, by virtue of that feature alone pfifo_fast should be relegated to those specific cases where such behaviour is desired instead of foring it upon the unwashed and enexpecting messes, no?
Best Regards
Sebastian
> should take care of the average user, professionals using Debian already know
> what to configure and how - here we should focus on the average user (Laptop,
> Desktop).
>
> hgn
>
>
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* Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out
2020-04-24 8:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
@ 2020-04-26 6:10 ` Dave Taht
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From: Dave Taht @ 2020-04-26 6:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastian Moeller; +Cc: Hagen Paul Pfeifer, bloat
I added my comments to the bug.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 1:50 AM Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 2020, at 07:49, Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@jauu.net> wrote:
> >
> > * Matt Taggart | 2020-04-23 15:47:19 [-0700]:
> >
> >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=890343#34
> >>
> >> If you have anything to add concernting changing this (or other defaults)
> >> please mail that bug. Let's get Debian up to date!
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Yes Dave, I think it's time to boost this bug report. Can you give your
> > comments and objections to the use of fifo fast? I think a little bit pressure
> > here and there and you will finally make many Debian users happier! ;-)
> >
> > I don't know if the discussion will arise that fq_codel will not be the
> > perfect fit for everybody, thus the use of "safer pfifo_fast". I think we
>
> So pfifo_fast employs a static precedence system in which high priority traffic can completely starve lower priority traffic, that is the opposite of safe, by virtue of that feature alone pfifo_fast should be relegated to those specific cases where such behaviour is desired instead of foring it upon the unwashed and enexpecting messes, no?
>
> Best Regards
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> > should take care of the average user, professionals using Debian already know
> > what to configure and how - here we should focus on the average user (Laptop,
> > Desktop).
> >
> > hgn
> >
> >
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CTO, TekLibre, LLC
http://www.teklibre.com
Tel: 1-831-435-0729
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* Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] ubuntu 20.4 is out
2020-04-23 21:33 [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out Dave Taht
2020-04-23 22:47 ` Matt Taggart
@ 2020-04-26 11:24 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen @ 2020-04-26 11:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dave Taht, Make-Wifi-fast, bloat
Tried upgrading a VM (from 18.04) through the do-release-upgrade script.
It has a rather amusing notion of what constitutes a helpful prediction
of download times (the VM is on a 10g link):
> You have to download a total of 354 M. This download will take about
> 45 minutes with a 1Mbit DSL connection and about 13 hours with a 56k
> modem.
-Toke
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