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From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: Thomas Rosenstein <thomas.rosenstein@creamfinance.com>,
	Bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	brouer@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Router congestion, slow ping/ack times with kernel 5.4.60
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 13:53:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201106135358.09f6c281@carbon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87blgaso84.fsf@toke.dk>

On Fri, 06 Nov 2020 12:45:31 +0100
Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:

> "Thomas Rosenstein" <thomas.rosenstein@creamfinance.com> writes:
> 
> > On 6 Nov 2020, at 12:18, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> >  
> >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2020 10:18:10 +0100
> >> "Thomas Rosenstein" <thomas.rosenstein@creamfinance.com> wrote:
> >>  
> >>>>> I just tested 5.9.4 seems to also fix it partly, I have long
> >>>>> stretches where it looks good, and then some increases again. (3.10
> >>>>> Stock has them too, but not so high, rather 1-3 ms)
> >>>>>  
> >>
> >> That you have long stretches where latency looks good is interesting
> >> information.   My theory is that your system have a periodic userspace
> >> process that does a kernel syscall that takes too long, blocking
> >> network card from processing packets. (Note it can also be a kernel
> >> thread).  
> >
[...]
> >
> > Could this be related to netlink? I have gobgpd running on these 
> > routers, which injects routes via netlink.
> > But the churn rate during the tests is very minimal, maybe 30 - 40 
> > routes every second.

Yes, this could be related.  The internal data-structure for FIB
lookups is a fibtrie which is a compressed patricia tree, related to
radix tree idea.  Thus, I can imagine that the kernel have to
rebuild/rebalance the tree with all these updates.

> >
> > Otherwise we got: salt-minion, collectd, node_exporter, sshd  
> 
> collectd may be polling the interface stats; try turning that off?

It should be fairly easy for you to test the theory if any of these
services (except sshd) is causing this, by turning them off
individually.


-- 
Best regards,
  Jesper Dangaard Brouer
  MSc.CS, Principal Kernel Engineer at Red Hat
  LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-06 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-04 15:23 Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-04 16:10 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-11-04 16:24   ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-05  0:10     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-11-05  8:48       ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-05 11:21         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-11-05 12:22           ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-05 12:38             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-11-05 12:41               ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-05 12:47                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-11-05 13:33             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-06  8:48               ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-06 10:53                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-06  9:18               ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-06 11:18                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-06 11:37                   ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-06 11:45                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-11-06 12:01                       ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-06 12:53                       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2020-11-06 14:13                         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-06 17:04                           ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-06 20:19                             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-07 12:37                               ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-07 12:40                                 ` Jan Ceuleers
2020-11-07 12:43                                   ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-07 13:00                                   ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-09  8:24                                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-09 10:09                                       ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-09 11:40                                         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-09 11:51                                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-11-09 12:25                                           ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-09 14:33                                           ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-12 10:05                                             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-12 11:26                                               ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-12 13:31                                                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-12 13:42                                                   ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-12 15:42                                                     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-13  6:31                                                       ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-16 11:56                                                         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-16 12:05                                                           ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-09 16:39                                           ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-07 13:33                                 ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-07 16:46                                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-07 17:01                                   ` Thomas Rosenstein
2020-11-07 17:26                                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-11-16 12:34 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2020-11-16 12:49   ` Thomas Rosenstein

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