From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B9903B29D; Sat, 1 Jul 2023 02:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 3615NJ0c077064; Fri, 30 Jun 2023 22:23:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from starlink@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from starlink@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 3615NILa077063; Fri, 30 Jun 2023 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from starlink) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202307010523.3615NILa077063@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> In-Reply-To: To: Dave Taht CC: Dave Taht via Starlink , bloat , BBR Development , Rpm , sander@comsys.rwth-aachen.de, grote@comsys.rwth-aachen.de, wehrle@comsys.rwth-aachen.de, kunze@comsys.rwth-aachen.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 05 Aug 2023 13:37:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] Instant Messaging Meets Video Conferencing: Studying the Performance of IM Video Calls X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2023 06:23:39 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2023 06:23:39 -0000 > This paper does a really good job of measuring the impacts of tcp > cross traffic, including BBRv2, against the videoconferencing > subsystems in signal, telegram, and whatsapp. Did I miss something? The paper only shows a dumb bell topology with instream traffic, I did not see any cross flow traffic testing. > > https://tma.ifip.org/2023/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2023/06/tma2023-final37.pdf > > Naturally fq_codel shines. The paper also introduces a new means of > measuring videoconferenceQoE, called BRISQUE. > > About my only kvetch is they didn't try cake, which has a different > shaper, drops less packets, has less collisions, as well as diffserv > support. > > Seeing BBRv2 stats and impact was very interesting also. > > > > > -- > Podcast: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7058793910227111937/ > Dave T?ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink > >