From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pl1-x630.google.com (mail-pl1-x630.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::630]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C67463CB37 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2023 16:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x630.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1b8b4748fe4so24432685ad.1 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2023 13:35:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=networkplumber-org.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1689021343; x=1691613343; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=v/iJn/xslKmBgOHecN/WnDsMGYo7IVX0x2bBQjNx2Kg=; b=CPTAf2Ja6ypgW9926UoFVwGbmgOzltI0W7CPpu5aTzM8gSDdJsWfOeXxrFaSMUSCWG r7CcMiq1F/uv4M7TMDjeGAjT0tnlS6AwDIxBg5Uq7XzhNov+4vWr5UJqrZpEMHpeQ+K2 KoivaO7Qgkww6LIAwATE46Y4ewFpXyt2RVndUA2EdlYho3aPSorJ63fLIKJPRIA8tH9T xzy2yRGPTMowIn/3kGe8i/GcCevt429dgA34zDjk4h1z9492jG+v2Vk6bcPtSL/Ncc8T nkz4KrVBXj5T6dEnVVXWzRjaflsXY+dGBtDiPd48KAVawj23s/oN5rEBMvSIid0BNQRd 116g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1689021343; x=1691613343; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=v/iJn/xslKmBgOHecN/WnDsMGYo7IVX0x2bBQjNx2Kg=; b=P4Nt2dMQVGAMDWLhGm9p7JgzGXmiGB0byp/hj3cXcxHJDwaTKugXXdqTw5BGOUSiAz CMWuJJpP6JoQZZhES0wW1qCIMkHYL6xEJK5AbyL46y7KEszM39oXqBc3XKMmzwzllaWs KOBZdcQsY6jy8V7MaPWqLzxNgZCtMtM+DzyxOUAOIThVQBzQrwm66VEQxmpvDH+33tEd d8pN49lQuGTfm307oHOaDGY6RR+KsnnsFnrvFhDX4jKxoB5vHixgt2ybmz7zh65W5jq9 +UC0Qm/pKv+LZwZyWIJnDbHO/WkTXBETVw/mOMc+1RzuPzsIYHVwB6yLSvlIQa0OAbDS s7Sg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLbuNf6bpYQ22wyYWCAHv4CYQAYUWY/P3VApJ7kzZhSDkp/dXJPW Psgc76Y/68k2S/a75Xagmsm4zCn+GCMA9DX9TmL6vg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlH2k1Ll77Iv21VaHpZJ/T21gFiV9IhAd4fmby3C7CRjnRL+/0EU667Er1Z/RGiDwMCwnOqwfg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:e5c1:b0:1b1:76c2:296a with SMTP id u1-20020a170902e5c100b001b176c2296amr12757204plf.60.1689021342773; Mon, 10 Jul 2023 13:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.local (204-195-120-218.wavecable.com. [204.195.120.218]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t3-20020a170902bc4300b001b7fb1a8200sm287408plz.258.2023.07.10.13.35.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 10 Jul 2023 13:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 13:35:40 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: "David P. Reed" Cc: "Dave Taht via Cake" , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <20230710133540.1cbe20bd@hermes.local> In-Reply-To: <1687962752.39077378@mobile.rackspace.com> References: <1687962752.39077378@mobile.rackspace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cake] Two questions re high speed congestionmanagement anddatagram protocols X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 20:35:43 -0000 On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:32:32 -0400 (EDT) "David P. Reed" wrote: > How to find a kernel maintainer to care about DCCP, seems to be the question for Linux. > I am tempted... Not to get involved with IETF "barriers" (what a mess, given the folks in IETF who resisted in AQM, I wouldn't last a minute), but to keep DCCP support alive. > The barrier here is getting accepted as a Linux maintainer, which is a different issue entirely, looking at my last two experiences with submitting simple bug fixes to the kernel, which were nightmares. I don't have the commitment to become accepted as a maintainer. > But it seems good to maintain DCCP, despite its lack of popularity as an IETF standard. It does deal with CC in a way that simplifies use of UDP for serious work. Interesting that there is an out of tree DCCP, complete with likely GPL license violation. https://github.com/telekom/mp-dccp