From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pl1-x632.google.com (mail-pl1-x632.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::632]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A081A3CB37 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2023 18:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x632.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1b895a06484so24821445ad.1 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2023 15:55:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=networkplumber-org.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1689029708; x=1691621708; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=vJ2EwK56KiG4MzV1lLMhtPvhOeSphEZ2sRY7Klh/+rw=; b=hVfBbNq9rsxwWwJIMSA+406blJIxUZAll0kPrF4jB6FVieeg5bTjmhVOTDVm284r1S mMymHpZxEtAbnZZPp/WrtQ9rgV8US65bsf/qvxfWKnthd/vrmfiqgu1MxLloNZ3gxfaw Gp8gISMUqJ9jIuvLQvxhkgXPHNsgg4V36ANf7T8cNVwc/lyQ9tdoSXNY99SNSM0wPpm1 +SwLHljp2NC4XOp1gxWYaFNhAebfo1YOUr5dToKRiluWQwoxF8zZ/XzUTn02/1Zez/1a FoIO3lMc7TyzxyeGO6eCVC+GtGfD4Yy1TrtQ/RNRoKNvI6Ml7YkhQPH6snvZ183MPik/ NT6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1689029708; x=1691621708; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vJ2EwK56KiG4MzV1lLMhtPvhOeSphEZ2sRY7Klh/+rw=; b=DA2+qkH8OLxRTdbIR3+KuWpBjR57BT/biercb50lRBraqRdV0yzw8i1bymkMwF52ov x7Ici9TK3cHjpM0Juf1bJc8nnxAHQMnBRaOJMJUjS/Yq0jvXpqBWzczcp7k3SYrhIO7f NKoLW7/Xh5yNBziiMhiiLnnojOEZoedx9qsHmRXtFY4jo4UrDsknZWP1I/0nMiI07ETj 8/rf5+zzp6RhqHPjGeTxwaWJFRouW/m8NJ4xnoMaARW7IgxWe+zRVlW8BSvl7txhu+zL q5WNNRYfTq80pnKZV48OOymGr/K73kK9qUb766tO9NxMwEPPFZl+V6i0P+5e/zIy96mX KKaw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLY/ovuZjiAFJpQHh/YoVKJiI4iXk098/vIHwEbT0UT6DMUZ2tUX BbPbuZ9sWkPCfFZwgdr1i1ypVQ6VHHpxTsEDDnVD4w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlE/TPIgPCnT6w2RPLd8hqFY4fxfaqGJpJVqxfh4b0nu2p4xKyILHlHltC4Z1cM2Zxa0B1n5LQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:6b0c:b0:1b8:7e55:7a4e with SMTP id o12-20020a1709026b0c00b001b87e557a4emr3818989plk.26.1689029708473; Mon, 10 Jul 2023 15:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.local (204-195-120-218.wavecable.com. [204.195.120.218]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t8-20020a1709028c8800b001b8a3a0c928sm393570plo.181.2023.07.10.15.55.07 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 10 Jul 2023 15:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 15:55:06 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Stephen Hemminger via Bloat , "David P. Reed" , Dave Taht via Cake Message-ID: <20230710155506.4b3bb671@hermes.local> In-Reply-To: References: <1687962752.39077378@mobile.rackspace.com> <20230710133540.1cbe20bd@hermes.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cake] Two questions re high speed congestionmanagement anddatagram protocols X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 22:55:09 -0000 On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:27:46 +0200 Sebastian Moeller wrote: > For what it is worth, the tsv working group is considering whether to process mp-dccp on the standards track, but then the IETF seems not to care too deeply about open-source licence compliance. Or recent kernel implementations or implementations that have a realistic path towards mainline inclusion... but I digress. The issue is the MP-DCCP implementation is derived from the existing kernel DCCP which is GPL-v2. You can't go randomly mixing proprietary code and GPL code in the kernel.