From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x52e.google.com (mail-pg1-x52e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 832F53B2A4 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 11:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-5a9d8f4388bso2457469a12.3 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:51:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=networkplumber-org.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1697557883; x=1698162683; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=5Dp68DpuMgS2GruCelC5cOv69XQhtPRtZRa7u1wo9gI=; b=Z30mSN6+uGoYhlSvoJLXazmMM/NRCTinb6Mabnj5E7rFngOSWJKt5S4jMlTywqVoia BnaxaLgnGXOj62SgtexsBReL+6OSQg1W052TBUgQZ1CdbO4CM0qX0O9cD57VIp70ZFbY jXgzmIRcApIBbLki+zQ2vrRqEQ5jr/7Rkk/dZYHqtDZFGdZH/3VYqVCzL0psPpYPwQXn lPTN/MZn6rXOl1nAIZUo5gTT6PPQLie509m0gQAyOlB1PUrlYFC+SyuloQnub/xn0XKr 8A10AyW5ilAdYUlyvj6oTPbbN3RAkBeqbLA++PgnTLjL7n8GRFRvNsgfFYXShnEEhBeU I0RQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697557883; x=1698162683; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5Dp68DpuMgS2GruCelC5cOv69XQhtPRtZRa7u1wo9gI=; b=QOBSWWDIssvdAuYlTDoSbj6yK5Nq93rqcYvUS38VRTSOW/GC1LhU81YTIV4iUB8Nlf jmYjlOIHxZwwIRFoMYGyeymMrd/9lw/vYU/8sHYAQiUUuYcbEGL9hTm9XK4kuGXYYFuE ZaHAq6286wWfytJ9Shu1Iwu4nB3Zj9Dl7MF0Ps3etxfZAO7X84lpqRmTjyCDIKp5xa9L Dg9YwasphDC0iYZSn3sdiQtvWKnPtBaLcS4LZw+lRmPtI5gFNNK4uqFPNCd9z+4Wl1JM 0DaCHR6DgbQ1XfxFABUyAGQIXOs9pB16MAP6xsqwmjK2tTl6ZIZaIRRq2TkEfxSo66Aa eJPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzkLa/Tmi2jzpvz2T8AURTbqoghMOUxfXBhXetw6VXqK6IO8QLu gTWjmo1jXIoJZv+Og1y+099nBNPeav8UZRcaHUa/1w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGDla1U3uGdlYJsflAM8X39khysirTKfudhdYxnGab8wHjIg08loUlhxJ3Z68Cp8cE1JZrhjQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:4423:b0:17a:eff5:fbcb with SMTP id ce35-20020a056a20442300b0017aeff5fbcbmr2614115pzb.43.1697557883254; Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.local (204-195-126-68.wavecable.com. [204.195.126.68]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 21-20020a170902c25500b001bdc9daadc9sm1757758plg.89.2023.10.17.08.51.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:51:21 -0700 From: Stephen Hemminger To: Dave Taht via Bloat Cc: Dave Taht , Rich Brown Message-ID: <20231017085121.6b761ccb@hermes.local> In-Reply-To: References: <68901251-6DC5-4996-94E8-BE4DF60916AD@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] Best approach for debloating Airbnb host? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 15:51:24 -0000 On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 06:26:17 -0700 Dave Taht via Bloat wrote: > > 2. What would I recommend? Obviously, inserting something with cake into the mix would help a lot. Even if they were willing to let me examine their entire network (Comcast router, Apple Airport in our Airbnb unit, other router?) I have no idea what kind of tar baby I would be touching. I don't want to become their network admin for the rest of time. By now most home routers do have option for some form of QoS but may default to disabled. The problem with interacting with mortals on technical topics is that you create a debt. It is often a multi-hour effort to resolve and the expectation is that this is free. So doing it for relatives (of course), fixing a local coffee shop where you know the owner (sure), but dealing with a one time AirBnb doesn't seem worth it.