From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x52a.google.com (mail-pg1-x52a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A726D3CB38 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2024 11:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pg1-x52a.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-801c8164ef9so823533a12.1 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:42:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=networkplumber-org.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1734626540; x=1735231340; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Y0iCZOtuAq3NYWn8PwK63E/H9XUUb0xip5sEvV+evxc=; b=vtS1hCFP8bCkPEJ1z3lWEBcbHvxeXwvoGeRdetv/5bmKsNzItO3kgvafD2Hw9e7LZp DEhDtrDuVNmx8xETsRBYH1+9kbYFskQw1TJGeDnn+yJSVCakLdOWWuf/H1V4M/JNzcSU DEp0KKGaMJ2VkUpJ1Y/CD6E7XBShOqXJ1odIKEcMOsU0Wk4ML1y0AKV8cqp4EPYPwacG m5ph+ey2cQkhHcbU9EcY3M6XpkQvK2nJ3lEEhw+wrZtlgNpjBLygB3drBvhVguMqlpEW 0NqkKt7eiSSgeyk9vut2myuSzjdVf7NE8FBPTCIlaYO2yG129MzqZ9TSx9bRws/WPza2 XDYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1734626540; x=1735231340; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Y0iCZOtuAq3NYWn8PwK63E/H9XUUb0xip5sEvV+evxc=; b=uPeXlUNDKm6T0O9Jhhkwt5hMsRrOXni8EhNArvL7zGGhfeQHQfncnwnAR86cjdRFBs tGfHAI79hj+8nHfanCXlZ5+wUU0QOwF+7/kGwtNdRqtnNE3ZDgCO8m88Z48Tcpwichi8 rZoosRtFAu4mjnTtLt4UHXoT+6TLREYviFdVIwUNExOHFx6xhm3GiL9YFNSpQQGti7VR fJKAe3Oar3d6ORcwoHfPgeI7mpcxC0hNf1/GlSEwfFT18ukO1ro7zwTSDyWdqkhhh0DL WeSiDlVJkWlnY6/A3Nj4rvu/jUHVAFxhwRGeIxu1m/aoVthYbhUnFOPf8Ays6Gm7QoOs Ln8w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzUr166tu65ipA/SaQRvzg9Is2tCDKQzpIgUZkmisPIMU9o9NIz 1Jrge6jtgBGIGFnjh3lcfSh1HhMAljVM28pvC0MQ8oQsiwL0Mg8ji4c2C1+s0L4D+xI6tYUMk6O T2gY= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncsr+ZLxrXfHJKuM6GcRaNbvIetKeqB1euJ5+U0ImS49xvzKrw7G8Cnzo7o713E O/jmFQrzd7Xf4XmBlmwhNLbaJMpAAMjtgKn2P1Jf2QkG3+KpDB4MyGRn87QRyXYbB5yIDfJ5IW7 fEbwo80PXAwnw5MgrlgbsViOeuw3kKYAYxERA6+Tfih2mIvo4plVv87pH+I7HzfxahVKJSWVW3O Py2GtWAQ5MoE4d/tdXxkyD2Nkjki/jlvfMwm8eAv5+tT02JfT2mo7l/BSpENdngkHwkRDRHIGfM +9pijZx5P0aVi5sRJiYU+u5R0k3knIDDfw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGTY42/Q7OuM+oc3GKNXg2sxMFbWbtJe5zOalTUFQ6tS+CPspf9I86ECloztAE3THiwlUoJPQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a21:3a4b:b0:1e1:adb8:c011 with SMTP id adf61e73a8af0-1e5c7263b83mr5954516637.18.1734626539658; Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.local (204-195-96-226.wavecable.com. [204.195.96.226]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d2e1a72fcca58-72aad8fb895sm1514622b3a.162.2024.12.19.08.42.19 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:42:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:42:17 -0800 From: Stephen Hemminger To: David Collier-Brown via Bloat Cc: David Collier-Brown Message-ID: <20241219084217.46016974@hermes.local> In-Reply-To: <0795300a-f3c4-4b7c-bd06-99d43de0a07b@rogers.com> References: <73o87647-p702-r61r-5389-47n7oqp940r5@ynat.uz> <0795300a-f3c4-4b7c-bd06-99d43de0a07b@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Bloat] fcc request for standardized speed testing X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 16:42:20 -0000 On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 11:31:08 -0500 David Collier-Brown via Bloat wrote: > On 12/18/24 17:17, David Lang via Bloat wrote: > > so, what happens when a standardized test is mandated and then it's > > found that that test isn't as good as others? > > > > I'm leery of any government mandates. > > Governments in general are good a "policing" things*, such as > deficiencies in specifications and persons trying to weasel around them. > > At the same time, good specifiers write in "or better" clauses so that > subsequent standards can be a few lines added to the original work. > > We can tell that is broken in Canada when the CRTC does a request for > comments ... but then rejects all the comments and proposed amendments. > Oh, and resists publishing them (:-)) > > Have you seen that in the US? > > --dave And it will just create benchmark cheating... Look at any of the standardized database benchmarks as an example. The benchmark starts out trying to an express a workload; then the vendors discover new and creative ways to get higher numbers.