From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40E733CB35 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:13:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1568366016; bh=feaQswi0GJd0cTMI61pa9XbT+VjPHO7SiOKA7CSzjkE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=UkYGX3JJRdQA/kUYDdI3Av94YtkChg6EuAHoBpcLxn3/IIvqESnlYxsH/U74m0SwW 5NA+wfObDXkde+/xCqXI/mn1wEN4RXLfDaJ7RRgHsNLF+OXjpHPDcmsFZA22SiSDgm TH5fwpFx6yEWQkEIwf/OkWMxidRW+V5JZZOrH/nM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [10.11.12.32] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MWAOW-1hb6541Rs2-00XeFQ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:13:36 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:13:34 +0200 Cc: David Lang , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <202C71FD-571F-44D3-9FB0-08B5191279EA@gmx.de> References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Ji2IPJcv4M1ulZrVHzr4a0foK+tbMzfyTWFVIrE6hKZefcZIzcr OGXKBAtHf1Z5/YirvB8A+cnF0Ui2uDuvFV7MdpT/tSSxIw4O6Gv2y0Nt/F3epCOVMtt/vVv wNyDvkRr0vagfJ5y7lMiehOzdd24kpIIiVUjEJ2nGPU1Ttfb36ikvTrbenHAQ1PrUZT8zZ8 ok+oR9NIJS1uUUcvftosw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:x/JUbbeTNfs=:ainb0j/NhS5DQ3BbTCKioj zyplqug2PdImkvbMP12eIyJtwcE5kyFR3iUgttfe+MKxZHVA+0HgUoGhZXFfQ4P1a5CtLu3xY kf8J/b5Fa/69BvW3gSesvu94w5dRUNjoc967+gwDwrdPe5Ymz2emYxhtvlrXG49URjgPdOIuG VWPXtNRRGXlL7rxwHheSMKXk3yMEPt7iI73Ia0Gob18FmDKEzEbdQqOEYZS4JEuIbJCuHNdnO AlGgweXw+iPfp+2wR829bAg+TXufTjUmNcdXh31O69KYM0aoId5N90JUXuGZWFDOhiGOZUc8g cQtR3ypVU4w3SsyZK2nLatIjqPTnKHdAPMFAHIN7O2GfA4fu0sGiZoN99uCszbWFM/k7xZG9e YAUitJu4e18wDoYEEUy47T59ZETQZIGLNq3zT65/0NUX3RBwSXvOxENXM9C24aaez7RRBmq0R DjIJbCCG17el6IsrJwNE86NmxFegnPYVYKCL++GVPUuYB+KGl6sBWM4QroSVsMyLePSXJs5PE SXY5Q4tJn3xIfKvP7iL59hKlqTN6ypsYSyP7rCXKU0vRkSqrtc9xNNHn4f9v8kfmUgAouXX+w 8fXc/t3WEREPo+ezYnerfiqspPDe3bdkpvUbVW1lnAY/Cz4+uXyxmHQFRKT7mIroHKgQA39kZ aHPD77A1XrOH5XQd2sirXpaapPlRYQ4xP7ewgtUO7cYab0UA8gZvQiuUtLSFWoAP5mLmu5GQ7 72NXt7kHLXXo8Elh0pTHDwL8DN+hFpIX3R6htRpMg5CvkWlVN+noiu/huvZVMEhi97Ok72DRT fkiQQYg5qsuhCyK1Rx60UU557qv4pg7VW3rrT7XMIZyKDeVnWQkxJzsjo/4gt3yOwxdG365C9 /s3F3EAmpvcpTAk9mpiC8m/5SkCev4718Z4YYMhb++9x5TZo67/p5LBo4Af6L8B44iyy1EjAi eLvxDfyM/6+MUU4gr4H7QP1WpLE+x50MPsQtFRRoWpzXG+F5nwmGrfKUvKIv4k+p394Si9Jef 15bERqqMTHXy83uizdx82ASP2aocXfBJDeYOmKJ/+Jk/i9KdVB8doqif7w+gLWAuejWh0/OSy yn6p2KO6JgXFeaY3nMThH10eXlapo2mVSTHxeae+2lrcNDxi7rZHbY1Ogn5x77XkxnQo8Tvps 34r0W89vFsVPWmxGH5niJ7c8492NpW0gEXfDY1C0CnqKSr6wm6AVa2cJ61rgr+YcL21AGQNfK /V68b7HVl/FQXCHP7rq2SmcS370Q085YcHya63dwN7a28JhhxII1HE5HoUPg= Subject: Re: [Bloat] Dual Channel Wi-Fi X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:13:40 -0000 I am with David, this is going to be fun on densely populated apartment = buildings. For people with no RF-competition it is sort of a "nice" = trick to more or less go "duplex". What a I missing? Best Regards Sebastian > On Sep 13, 2019, at 08:13, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > There's more to it than that. >=20 > = https://www-res.cablelabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/24150908/Dual-Cha= nnel-Wi-Fi-Performance-Test-Report-June-2019.pdf >=20 > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 7:03 AM David Lang wrote: >>=20 >> it's an optimization that will work well when there is only one = person using the >> network, and utterly collapse when there is a lot of use. >>=20 >> it assumes that 'high priority' and bulk things only move in one = direction, it >> uses more channels, which will cause more collisions with other users = and other >> networks. >>=20 >> a fairly typical type of idea to someone who doesn't look at what's = actually >> happening at the RF level. >>=20 >> David Lang >>=20 >> On Fri, 13 Sep 2019, Etienne Champetier wrote: >>=20 >>> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 14:47:38 +0900 >>> From: Etienne Champetier >>> To: bloat >>> Subject: [Bloat] Dual Channel Wi-Fi >>>=20 >>> I'm curious what people on this mailing list think about this Wi-Fi >>> optimisation >>>=20 >>> https://www.cablelabs.com/technologies/dual-channel-wi-fi >>> https://github.com/openwrt/packages/pull/9972 >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CTO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-831-205-9740 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat