* [Bloat] Simplified Bloat explanation
@ 2011-04-12 17:44 Bruce Atherton
2011-04-13 5:24 ` Fred Baker
2011-04-13 10:42 ` Bob Briscoe
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From: Bruce Atherton @ 2011-04-12 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bloat
For those that are interested, I've written a simplified explanation of
BufferBloat for a nontechnical audience using a classic "I Love Lucy"
episode as an analogy. I wrote it to introduce the concept to the people
fighting Usage Based Billing here in Canada during a federal election.
I don't need to get all the details right because this is intended for
the general population, but any feedback about the general correctness
of the description is appreciated.
http://callenish.blogspot.com/2011/03/usage-based-billing-caused-by-internet.html
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* Re: [Bloat] Simplified Bloat explanation
2011-04-12 17:44 [Bloat] Simplified Bloat explanation Bruce Atherton
@ 2011-04-13 5:24 ` Fred Baker
2011-04-13 12:14 ` Dave Taht
2011-04-13 10:42 ` Bob Briscoe
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From: Fred Baker @ 2011-04-13 5:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Atherton; +Cc: bloat
I think it's a fair description for the general public.
On Apr 12, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Bruce Atherton wrote:
> For those that are interested, I've written a simplified explanation of BufferBloat for a nontechnical audience using a classic "I Love Lucy" episode as an analogy. I wrote it to introduce the concept to the people fighting Usage Based Billing here in Canada during a federal election.
>
> I don't need to get all the details right because this is intended for the general population, but any feedback about the general correctness of the description is appreciated.
>
> http://callenish.blogspot.com/2011/03/usage-based-billing-caused-by-internet.html
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* Re: [Bloat] Simplified Bloat explanation
2011-04-12 17:44 [Bloat] Simplified Bloat explanation Bruce Atherton
2011-04-13 5:24 ` Fred Baker
@ 2011-04-13 10:42 ` Bob Briscoe
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From: Bob Briscoe @ 2011-04-13 10:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bruce Atherton; +Cc: bloat
Bruce,
The candy factory analogy is a useful one. Thanks
However, I wouldn't associate it with the usage-billing issue or with
NN. I know that was your original motivation for writing this, but
the two issues (bandwith and latency) need to be treated separately.
Just because buffer bloat is slowing the little transfers (individual
candies), doesn't mean anything about how much bandwidth is needed to
transfer predicted volumes of data in reasonable time. That's about
how many Ethels are employed to meet total demand for wrapping
candies, which could still be an issue (or not) irrespective of
whether we take away the hats and buckets.
The association with NN & usage-billing merely serves to confuse what
is an otherwise helpful explanation.
Bob
At 18:44 12/04/2011, Bruce Atherton wrote:
>For those that are interested, I've written a simplified explanation
>of BufferBloat for a nontechnical audience using a classic "I Love
>Lucy" episode as an analogy. I wrote it to introduce the concept to
>the people fighting Usage Based Billing here in Canada during a
>federal election.
>
>I don't need to get all the details right because this is intended
>for the general population, but any feedback about the general
>correctness of the description is appreciated.
>
>http://callenish.blogspot.com/2011/03/usage-based-billing-caused-by-internet.html
>_______________________________________________
>Bloat mailing list
>Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
________________________________________________________________
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* Re: [Bloat] Simplified Bloat explanation
2011-04-13 5:24 ` Fred Baker
@ 2011-04-13 12:14 ` Dave Taht
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From: Dave Taht @ 2011-04-13 12:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bloat
You may have created an earworm.
Everytime I encountered a bug when trying to work with the web interface
on the bismark project yesterday, I kept crying out in Desi Arnaz's voice...
"LUCIIIIII!"
http://www.bufferbloat.net/issues/80
On 04/12/2011 11:24 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
> I think it's a fair description for the general public.
>
> On Apr 12, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Bruce Atherton wrote:
>
>> For those that are interested, I've written a simplified explanation of BufferBloat for a nontechnical audience using a classic "I Love Lucy" episode as an analogy. I wrote it to introduce the concept to the people fighting Usage Based Billing here in Canada during a federal election.
>>
>> I don't need to get all the details right because this is intended for the general population, but any feedback about the general correctness of the description is appreciated.
>>
>> http://callenish.blogspot.com/2011/03/usage-based-billing-caused-by-internet.html
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bloat mailing list
>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat
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