From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from eu1sys200aog120.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog120.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30CA1201A58 for ; Mon, 30 May 2011 00:37:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.la.pnsol.com ([89.145.213.110]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob120.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKTeNNFHXI9FmPKxbEh2HQvD/Np156mQGq@postini.com; Mon, 30 May 2011 07:53:59 UTC Received: from njd.roam.la.pnsol.com ([172.20.5.134]) by mail.la.pnsol.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QQxIR-00064P-W9; Mon, 30 May 2011 08:53:56 +0100 Message-Id: <2210BF93-B0FD-495D-92E3-5483E1870663@pnsol.com> From: Neil Davies To: George B. In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 08:53:55 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] philosophical question X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 07:37:52 -0000 FIFO and traffic shaping - every time Neil On 30 May 2011, at 05:24, George B. wrote: > Ok, say I have a network with no over subscription in my net. I have > 10G to the internet but am only using about 2G of that. This is the > server side of a network talking to millions of clients. The clients > in this case are on "lossy" wireless networks where packet loss is not > an indication of congestion so much as it is an indication that the > client moved 15 feet behind a pole and had poor network connectivity > for a few minutes. > > The idea being that in today's internet, packet loss is not a good > indication of congestion. Often it just means that the radio signal > has been briefly interrupted. What I need is something that can tell > the difference between real congestion and radio loss. ECN seems to > be the way forward in that respect. > > But assuming my network, as a server of content is not over > subscribed, what would you suggest as the best qdisc for such a > traffic profile? In other words, I am looking at this from the server > aspect rather than from the client aspect. > > g > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat