From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-x233.google.com (mail-lb0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1FA521F3C9; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 13:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbsy1 with SMTP id sy1so83455143lbb.1; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 13:25:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=zm2uUMb1tAazBoaJyXfOw1B8LWsVkzxWe44hr5M1XWk=; b=DjP5KhL4qd/YRAubJCySULV5B4As+4EbFDmMjx6WsTFuFqCH7rMmltRBxrl/0bdHoE DTBIqI70oFm7o+Tstuu2Qwft0i1OaVF1en0INkurKaycYFZsUmAj0OQHHOk+ORb8Lm4b AKAhxifURXsl7fxqFXXczNwcJvKWRXWS0CApQjixj3BXOnQNoRVLMToKNRs6nfC8tpt3 q7+TMlUjb64KATGF35iPuy95uvlzllrZSvRgX8Nd52VOoNusheyweh/0RSZWYmNvS/n5 +TukwuNykIhzsYOmkFKDi+jD9THSpVM7cgT5k9cN4xV65PJpJy0Jx4EcC12mvsMfxA5P QrAw== X-Received: by 10.112.171.65 with SMTP id as1mr74704107lbc.45.1426883147114; Fri, 20 Mar 2015 13:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bass.home.chromatix.fi (188-67-157-19.bb.dnainternet.fi. [188.67.157.19]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n9sm1131905laf.32.2015.03.20.13.25.45 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Mar 2015 13:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 22:25:44 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2584B47E-BBE6-491E-BE44-8BA4E5075085@gmail.com> References: <55028CB6.80101@gentoo.org> To: "Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Cc: "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" , bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] marketing #102 - giving netperf-wrapper a better name? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:26:18 -0000 > On 20 Mar, 2015, at 22:08, Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) = wrote: >=20 > We should call the metric "sucks-less". As in "Box A sucks less than = Box B", or "Box C scored a 17 on the sucks less test". I suspect real marketing drones would get nervous at a negative-sounding = name. My idea - which I=E2=80=99ve floated in the past, more than once - is = that the metric should be =E2=80=9Cresponsiveness=E2=80=9D, measured in = Hertz. The baseline standard would be 10Hz, corresponding to a dumb = 100ms buffer. Get down into the single-digit millisecond range, as = fq_codel does, and the Responsiveness goes up above 100Hz, approaching = 1000Hz. Crucially, that=E2=80=99s a positive sort of term, as well as trending = towards bigger numbers with actual improvements in performance, and is = thus more potentially marketable. - Jonathan Morton