From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 740C421F19E for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 01:51:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from u-083-c014.eap.uni-tuebingen.de ([134.2.83.14]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MCcja-1Vhk2G2YqI-009Pr7 for ; Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:51:26 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <20131208204152.B9918406062@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 10:51:25 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <25FDEED2-23A8-4EF4-8921-ACCF65E0CC62@gmx.de> References: <20131208204152.B9918406062@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> To: Hal Murray X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:B8tYROzd3xBYAW57AtgaE8XP4MoE7DmqjyMzejTNgQT3zdh1aeY IAXtW/qISXytw5DKNAZD+gIXojd25679AGtUNJsg67vc1+h+8hTW2kWfAvlTK8UYmV4OXw5 ZUcG+QAC8GPHpOX+OVhgDXPYUjfdhyG6cEl0l1iLy7qdd4Q0RqqMJwv2UNi5ilfa2GO2Ggm Bdw1v38GLrbtkxax6eFZw== Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] curious..... X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:51:29 -0000 Hi Hal, On Dec 8, 2013, at 21:41 , Hal Murray wrote: >=20 >> Even at 1000 symmetric I still think it would be a good idea to = isolate >> really latency critical traffic from the rest, even if under normal >> circumstances there should be no problem, I guess a "better safe than = sorry" >> approach. But, hey I do not do this for a living so I might be on the = wrong >> track here.=20 >=20 > The problem is who gets to decide what is latency critical and/or how = to do=20 > it such that the bad-guys can't game the system. Ah, that is easy, in your home-router that is you :); no one = else knows how much you value uninterrupted VoIP sessions. Now as always = this is not perfect as you can not fully control the marking on the = downlink, but in that case I still think it makes sense to mark on your = router and shape the downlink, while not as good as the uplink shaping = and marking it still improves things noticeably. best Sebastian >=20 > Has somebody made a list of various interesting cases, and where they = break? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > These are my opinions. I hate spam. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat