From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 506053B2A4 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2023 13:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyas.sandelman.ca (bras-base-otwaon0819w-grc-20-70-51-88-254.dsl.bell.ca [70.51.88.254]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4662A1F44B; Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dyas.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D43A4A130B; Fri, 6 Oct 2023 13:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyas (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dyas.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C9AA05E6; Fri, 6 Oct 2023 13:49:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Sebastian Moeller , Dave Taht via Bloat In-reply-to: <8F072AF6-D0B0-4ACC-9333-7CEB31CC9104@gmx.de> References: <7405D858-4B1F-44A8-9E92-39A141FA64C3@gmx.de> <19667.1696535635@localhost> <8F072AF6-D0B0-4ACC-9333-7CEB31CC9104@gmx.de> Comments: In-reply-to Sebastian Moeller message dated "Fri, 06 Oct 2023 07:07:34 +0200." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2023 13:49:46 -0400 Message-ID: <2673596.1696614586@dyas> Subject: Re: [Bloat] 80Mbit streaming X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2023 17:49:50 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Sebastian Moeller wrote: > On 5 October 2023 21:53:55 CEST, Michael Richardson > wrote: >> Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote: > Now >> finally, a use case that needs at least a ~100Mbps link... question > >> is, how much better than the competitors streaming this is going to > >> look? >> >> What's the point? My eyesight isn't actually that good :-) > Mine neither... from my low-fi perspective, anything up to ~full hd > (1920x1080) was a noticeable improvement, but e.g. going to 4K on a 43" > screen does not feel any better... My comment was driven mostly by the One can stream monster resolutions across very high latency/bloated links. Meanwhile, my new-this-year Roku enabled TV crashes if I change the volume while Netflix or Prime or Disney is in the process of starting the stream. I'm at a loss to understand why TVs don't come with cameras, or at least support some wide variety of USB webcams. It seems obvious to me that they should be videophones.... but that requires low-latency networks and low-latency wifi. (My TV supports one USB-Ethernet device, but not one I happened to have around) So why doesn't Sony do this with their PS4/PS5? --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEow/1qDVgAbWL2zxYcAKuwszYgEMFAmUgSLoACgkQcAKuwszY gEPyuQv+KFFxRMz/N25KYrKy/bIZqA/WGvpMeWo+btBq+ZvhD9oErqpNVnkmDgYD thNoAbu+NPrgODu2uK0Lur89tMLW7QZGr3ENcjsaGW6Iivvpi2y6eHHgbjaUrIek fuBCrh3wc8V3MlqadWvKa3q+M5TPtp5XfZjBC7Uxnc4H2TqD+t6r4Vv+oevY9WuP 6VMloloCT9NXGvPd9UBOpw1QDHixBjOqxRSzWQAJGpFHzLCh+EFhBZ4A9cW2JJHA gebXS2RuTd4Vw1ZbJd4jExVJlwua2H7o9N2NgQLsD+RoZws3Pe9T2zqjOeumDdnE G9ORpjH25kMIn1AKo3yVIlhStQCz2b5z2xS4yOTYLm/b/+Hh76q0w16Xzivj/44F M9TKM7vH0J5ttsrhM677arG6RG9Zw6uM7FgYRh+Bpq5l0HtRD4+tpwyBdVm8Lvwz t+w1ePSUPXRiWjyMTRc87FQ+smp4ehylzrmlAm7rmAVEEoZFxVKtpVsrHedPk5uG yZRpidCd =D2iG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--