From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0392E3B2A4 for ; Mon, 24 May 2021 17:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91BA389C5; Mon, 24 May 2021 17:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yLfoSIIb_Kvh; Mon, 24 May 2021 17:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3538389C4; Mon, 24 May 2021 17:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C0783A; Mon, 24 May 2021 17:23:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Stuart Cheshire , "Livingood\, Jason" , "bloat\@lists.bufferbloat.net" In-Reply-To: <3DC2F247-63C2-4753-9E44-2F494E545FEA@apple.com> References: <8CA408F6-C8FA-4AAF-908A-B52BDC5030FF@cable.comcast.com> <3DC2F247-63C2-4753-9E44-2F494E545FEA@apple.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Bloat] AQM & Net Neutrality X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 21:23:59 -0000 Stuart Cheshire via Bloat wrote: > When first class passengers board the plane first, > all economy passengers wait a little bit longer as a result. Computer > network queueing doesn=E2=80=99t operate like that, which makes it ha= rd to > explain by analogy to everyday experiences that most people understan= d. I wonder if airplane boarding is a place make an elevator pitch analogy. What pisses everyone off when getting the plane is that we queue at multiple points. Hurry up and line up so that we can check your boarding card, and then make you wait four more times on the jetway, and then in the aisles. It we all could just walk a lot slower, then it might feel less annoying. (So apparently, it's the overhead bin accesses that cause most actual delay= s) > I talked about this six years ago in my presentation at the Apple > developer conference: > > There=E2=80=99s also a neat demo a little earlier in that same video: > A demo worth watching! -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect = [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [