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From: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
To: dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] An interesting, and probably erroneous, article on 5G and TCP buffering
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 20:18:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <28392.1601943498@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ce5c55bf-d9e0-0903-870e-326d7e641840@indexexchange.com>

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Dave Collier-Brown <dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com> wrote:
    > Only being able to use 20% of the bandwidth is clearly not good (on 4G
    > the same algorithms achieve
    > 50-70%). BBR<https://blog.acolyer.org/2017/03/31/bbr-congestion-based-congestion-control/>
    > does much better with 5G, achieving 82.5% utilization. An investigation
    > reveals the problem to be caused by buffer sizes. In the radio portion
    > of the network, 5G buffer sizes are 5x 4G, but within the wired portion
    > of the network only about 2.5x (this is with a 1000 Mbps provisioned
    > cloud server). At the same time the download capacity of 5G is about 5x
    > greater: "i.e., the capacity growth is incommensurate with the buffer
    > size expansion in the wireline network." Doubling the wireline buffer
    > size would alleviate the problem. BBR does better because it is less
    > sensitive to packet loss/delay.

Is this with one flow or many thousands one would expect a real network to have?

Since we want buffers to be empty, it's unclear to me if TxOps are really
being lost, or what.


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