From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D245E3B2A4 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3551A39074; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id OeQUD1-WGgyR; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B191839072; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D01899; Wed, 12 May 2021 17:10:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Dave Taht , bloat , Bob McMahon In-Reply-To: References: <666B8455-7B26-4E89-A7F2-0279B4D67FCB@cable.comcast.com> <13254.1620835357@localhost> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Subject: Re: [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: Terminology for Laypeople X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 21:10:13 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Dave Taht wrote: > On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 9:02 AM Michael Richardson > wrote: >> >> The part I'd like to simplify is "latency".... Most people can >> understand that the hot water tap doesn't produce hot water instantly, >> but I don't know how leverage that experience to networking directly. >> Idle and Working are good. > The demo I did in my broadcom preso ages back was the simplest I could > imagine, but not on the slides. ( > http://www.taht.net/~d/broadcom_aug9_2018.pdf ) > I brought a coffee pot, a large carafe, two differently sized funnels, > an eye dropper, (and a towel!) Yes, that's a good demonstration for technical people. I tried to do this at a LUG with audience involved theatre, but then you did it better at some Australian event. But, I'm looking for terminology that I can use with my mother-in-law. (She's just signed up with a 802.11 based rural provider for her cottage for the summer. Made financially feasible only because they'll let her cancel for 6 months when it's winter. I'm providing a modem. I suspect that the bandwidth is not-constant, so I wonder what I'll tell sql scripts...) -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmCcRDQACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWP9QgAoy0G/Di8Gux+Bz8XbS5nrX+mHYFktf5iCtt+kEfG35YGptA+uUgVwpHH Bq18Pi4Etk4f7Mizmib0q0UQmWNaDMMtQYJor4aqB780vUvuLWw3slHBfkZccUIe lZQD80wGRH10rMLXKiOkhdvkvYno2uV3XA6HJKGrtQ3CmL1dS8mWI9ayl2lU5qhD HkCDNJsGgGnoR4F17hPAKS12z15jEF2aIPLWSXqNE62utKVqG0IpfKC6kbHQId+j EJw9R+Svt9RIIAdugCupl1M4PiNy3T/+mQ6uy4vhj27agW6LNrINuHwEXAqnRvR0 It1DTuyk06YkGwH0dWOBbpP1awQdgw== =vxPV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--