From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46CFC3B2A4 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 04:50:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1587718231; bh=Bj9zlxI25RikGgAUGfSX1/nvlPtXgVRxK08YAHkA1H0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=gZpm1w+THaALedB8qvmHnPuo2fF9dQPLgaJQzm/Asd9QCJDx8oXk0ROggglRlTsm+ o3RYPKAYWAVJ3txtpxrTLVqCKRdGZh8a816+583QX1R+JljEjszyzizqeUP4LNjeSA uOCg11OPRR3wVijC8MLExdromxirqHm8SYGKROjE= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [10.11.12.16] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MryT9-1ipX1O1zmf-00o0Ee; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:50:31 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <20200424054932.GA3180192@laniakea> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:50:29 +0200 Cc: Matt Taggart , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <295FB76E-FCC5-4474-97F4-969AA7DB7DF4@gmx.de> References: <5a1f165e-9d0e-af9b-5be2-15d805cfa0b5@lackof.org> <20200424054932.GA3180192@laniakea> To: Hagen Paul Pfeifer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:vUwpyQrlSopwyVjSJyZV8xOoIPkb9wX3+aCytzt3/5/CW59L+O3 iQV6+ynqyedcUFn0b0HXuatm2AX+n+WGopIk8gGgfGGqaOLcUtq712UqDPp4awIsFy6nqer WBzX6yP9dl5WVjW6GStAymYOnedeYKRZQfmBJ7ySBsQFTogm6Kc7KOexRGySD8DeYjUV+EB U+h2XHLOAqEfw4wdEFgwg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rC1fXFOJYBw=:s6d5PfvEZr1r4M4bZxD1qw WxlQNW968oN70hJQ8FKf6ZWbHkJHMLgd4JralhIkLkDa58iypjztARtMX9af0aEFEtH7KAmSo gUxzu1BjjyH4Su0ydD4tMDcYXHK0sOu2vfENbGC7iGUTk6PtFrwMq1BqOnrBB3C8v4xpF7WE3 YymxzIxnSmp+bj8Z1QAP+SS3YyPFu7Sxdl1jZ9NGWIWZUGpZt8qRUMPwLKrENy29YfHf15oit NZUPFdmY6OkucyIBhNTTFGOI5q6ViGsJuvTRjfpxwtKCT/W5LmaHxVAEc5ehzQE+W2zQlucAu 6qZifkCodOdDPZUeKbFT4w1xpf1a+iLJOsdDOJv4uT/XYm0su8PXBbRjjeLuwT00S0+6wXXsX zzS5MRYmgSWj6c5ER5S02oqCn+kItBa/uO1ymeBlr0AMXiNNZ+nH4wzDg3rn5kdH+hSHGGYbO Dc+1eSwbnA3E/e2BS9LyTnofOwPX6gavHzhcGfsPwmD3Fg2IOeAiSolB1bIJ6xh0aY1aq6+gA v5hsCT6hBSV0Rx3e3yniEWdjfZVYazilvvMxHDet5KP2AdNNuAyNlb53IPzUXZ1ssloKmEQ+S CMNQUX9Xy+5Lj8LoT3of4q4j4OFSmPK8bECZXXRocMXbcvYfjVqUD3zGeiGYBf8soi2ZeIchW KqqhA1VXi9Br1qFAGp2vcyAHypfXh+YuJmYZLf3f75tSeaYKOJqUDpkRaXwG/HquTq/HAfqY+ aVJwgowCW8KmpvY/v8cDRX74sLWMibDs7v1nvoQyqwQj7mzsxsB3dF2q6/bj22L3sHPo+YntF GLcOU5QkKRJ+Hj191zglvjJzGSd3k8i8c6WxJmmhlqFmsRn/OXTM/uAS5dEa1oehbch98pcqD CNT11nOKnNEXR9OVhJOpT9EVmec+4hJbafYtx/noMEiDsev8FfGYEudy4PWLBEAUQINRa0upC v4eMuuePAxzjDtPmI+6cq2GRSeO1UcD2S32V9YCUMptwjZboWcqEAq9IhsbGyUvYLq9IM0LlV zaoDBILkWjLQ/x9F8y6JdlF55WWa1Ls5hjTgRcoEZrdHTgjBy7D0rLwhAhfBrUhp0HEA34yHV Ih+Mesm8RvQTiHg/NJHa84SqMLCIqw88mGG8n7WwUrMIHy0ByMnOpuqegISTcay27Yhb8BVTV 8waYEg6o/O/NYqW+VJcCzN+JTEuJHgU37J4Z/4TcaIhT04xSHv8IjD/vRXjluAN/JTUHv71Sm ky/sJrawsPmWx8rG/ Subject: Re: [Bloat] ubuntu 20.4 is out X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:50:34 -0000 Dear all, > On Apr 24, 2020, at 07:49, Hagen Paul Pfeifer wrote: >=20 > * Matt Taggart | 2020-04-23 15:47:19 [-0700]: >=20 >> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D890343#34 >>=20 >> If you have anything to add concernting changing this (or other = defaults) >> please mail that bug. Let's get Debian up to date! >=20 > +1 >=20 > Yes Dave, I think it's time to boost this bug report. Can you give = your > comments and objections to the use of fifo fast? I think a little bit = pressure > here and there and you will finally make many Debian users happier! = ;-) >=20 > I don't know if the discussion will arise that fq_codel will not be = the > perfect fit for everybody, thus the use of "safer pfifo_fast". I think = we So pfifo_fast employs a static precedence system in which high = priority traffic can completely starve lower priority traffic, that is = the opposite of safe, by virtue of that feature alone pfifo_fast should = be relegated to those specific cases where such behaviour is desired = instead of foring it upon the unwashed and enexpecting messes, no? Best Regards Sebastian > should take care of the average user, professionals using Debian = already know > what to configure and how - here we should focus on the average user = (Laptop, > Desktop). >=20 > hgn >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat