From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.de header.i=moeller0@gmx.de header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=s31663417 header.b=rctM8w3b; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=gmx.de policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EC6513873E7 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2026 09:33:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1784878423; x=1785483223; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=nCihu89plJyoJXwrwitBZ3bIcXUBjeuhOXtOZzWbgj8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id: References:To:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from: message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=rctM8w3bIsphGRCljUAQMJJ/7PQngZV+u5dc9y2vvt0jUxhqD8bw8kasNQ8O6iie Uiy7Z9cS9wk2IyrFbTP6ftvB3AHXFl8Vowp0zUd6XVZ9ChcjKstKdg8yhsGDgmicz 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list for discussing Bufferbloat Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Great find! Thanks a lot. Interesting. I note that AVM/Fritz! has been winging something similar for PPPoE for = some years already: = https://web.archive.org/web/20260414221556/https://fritz.support/resources= /PPP-Controlled_Settings_for_FRITZOS_v1.3.pdf so far and as I know only Deutsche Telekom and 1&1 actually use that, = and since this is not a proper standard, both use slightly different = encodings... I also note that AVM's solution falls short of my wish list: 1) gross policer/shaper rate on the ISP side for both down- and = up-direction 2) applicable per packet overhead for both down- and up-direction 3) information about specific fancy encapsulations that need to be taken = into account (ATM/AAL5, I am looking at you) 4) MTU to ISP, and MTU to internet. Now this is essentially discoverable = (at least the MTU to internet) so optional I will have a look what the ID actually contains... Regards > On Jul 23, 2026, at 19:15, Mikael Abrahamsson via Bloat = wrote: >=20 >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-giese-dhcp-rate-signaling/ >=20 > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/int-area/?gbt=3D1&page=3D1&qdr=3D= m >=20 > This might be of interest to people on this list, as the age old trick = of manually creating a shaper with slightly below ISP configured speed, = and then running AQM in it to avoid the ISP FIFO now could automatically = be enabled by means of the ISP informing the RG of said rate. >=20 > Above is a link to mailing list discussion I started right after the = int-area presentation. >=20 > --=20 > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list -- bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to bloat-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net