From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; dkim=pass header.d=gmx.de header.i=moeller0@gmx.de header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=s31663417 header.b=YJ37PCZc; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=pass (Used From Domain Record) header.from=gmx.de policy.dmarc=quarantine Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14CC316954FE for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2026 12:03:50 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1789812229; x=1790417029; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=WcRQimfoMZub3IFDlPnXJH7D96s97obOL6G5+cU2kIY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id: References:To:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from: message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=YJ37PCZc+4GMLgos3E7SC2rn+/LkWeRoBQI/PnqANWvRbcja6fRpmoRX6fzcMdBv HyeoO7as5aB5nQiH+qtfZcXto8L22EgM57WT27ODjw2pHRrBrewoLz+xR2SuSnEWw 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List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > On Sep 18, 2026, at 14:11, Rich Brown wrote: >=20 > We came up with a more accurate, but wordy declaration: >=20 >> "The most important performance metric where >> systems fall short today is not bandwidth, or compute. It is = latency." >=20 >=20 > To make a more punchy statement, s/scarce resource/bottleneck/ to = get... >=20 >> "The bottleneck is not bandwidth, or compute. It is latency." >=20 > Thoughts? tempted to re-arrange this (for in-official use among friends only): Bandwidth is NOT the bottleneck (nor is it compute): it's the latency, = Stupid. Tip o'the hat to Stuart for the end part...=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list -- bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > To unsubscribe send an email to bloat-leave@lists.bufferbloat.net