* Re: [Bloat] Fwd: Add deadline awareness to QUIC
2022-11-14 23:18 ` [Bloat] Fwd: Add deadline awareness to QUIC Dave Taht
@ 2022-11-14 23:30 ` Dave Collier-Brown
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From: Dave Collier-Brown @ 2022-11-14 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: bloat
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OK, top-of-head response to the idea of a deadline-aware transport, not the implementation.
My company is doing on-line ad auctions, which typically have a deadline of 120 milliseconds, from request to the last packet of the response. The deadline varies on a recipient-by-recipient basis, and could be less, or could stretch out or 300 milliseconds.
I could stretch the window a few packet-times if I was already processing a response, but I would not welcome a "here's the first byte, the rest will be along next week" response (;-))
I strongly suspect a protocol mechanism wouldn't buy me anything I can't do in application code.
--dave
On 11/14/22 18:18, Dave Taht via Bloat wrote:
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From: Chuan Ma <simonkorl0228@gmail.com><mailto:simonkorl0228@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 10:21 AM
Subject: Add deadline awareness to QUIC
To: <quic@ietf.org><mailto:quic@ietf.org>
Cc: <cuiyong@tsinghua.edu.cn><mailto:cuiyong@tsinghua.edu.cn>
Dear all:
I'm Chuan Ma from Tsinghua University. I want to discuss the deadline
awareness of the current application and whether we should add it to
the QUIC protocol.
Applications may have specific deadline requirements for data
transmission. For instance, a video conference application may require
sending the data with a deadline of 200ms to enable live interaction.
The application may drop the data that misses the deadline, even if
the data has already reached the other end. In this case, it is
possible to drop the data after the given deadline from the sender to
save bandwidth and decrease queuing time. Deadline requirement is also
helpful to offer deadline-aware scheduling combined with QUIC stream
priority. Such scheduling methods can increase the punctuality of QUIC
and allow more data to arrive on time. It is possible to extend QUIC
and offer deadline-aware transport as a service.
Nowadays, deadline-aware data transmission is getting more and more
popular. Applications that emphasize real-time interaction, such as
VR/AR, gaming, and video conference, are drawing more and more
attention. So deadline-aware transport has a lot of use cases.
However, currently, it is the application that is responsible for
realizing deadline-aware transport. This transport service should be
offered by the transport protocol but not be left to the application.
It is reasonable to provide such transport service in a new transport
protocol, and QUIC is a good base.
We wrote a draft to show this idea in
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-shi-quic-dtp/ and implemented a
protocol based on QUIC called DTP (Deadline-aware Transport Protocol)
in https://github.com/STAR-Tsinghua/DTP.git. We also built a live
stream prototype application to compare the performance between DTP
and QUIC (https://github.com/STAR-Tsinghua/LiveEvaluationSystem.git).
We found that DTP outperformed QUIC in improving data transmission
punctuality and saving bandwidth resources. We published the paper in
ICNP22 and built several systems like proxy and tunnel based on DTP.
It would be a good idea to give this method a try.
We'd like to know what you think about this topic. Please let us know
if you have any comments.
Best regards.
Chuan Ma
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