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X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 07:44:15 -0000 Also a PC Engines APU4 will do the job (https://inonius.net/results/?userId=3D17996087f5e8 - this is a 1gbit/1gbit, with Openwrt/sqm-scripts set to 900/900.=C2=A0 ISP is Sony NU= RO in Japan). Will follow this thread to know if some interesting device popup :) https://inonius.net/results/?userId=3D17996087f5e8 On 6/22/2021 6:12 AM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > On 22 June 2021 06:00:48 CEST, Stephen Hemminger wrote: >> Is there any consumer hardware that can actually keep up and do AQM at >> 1Gbit. > Over in the OpenWrt forums the same question pops up routinely = once per week. The best answer ATM seems to be a combination of a raspberr= y pi4B with a decent USB3 gigabit ethernet dongle, a managed switch and an= y capable (OpenWrt) AP of the user's liking. With 4 arm A72 cores the will= traffic shape up to a gigabit as reported by multiple users. > > >> It seems everyone seems obsessed with gamer Wifi 6. But can only do >> 300Mbit single >> stream with any kind of QoS. > IIUC most commercial home routers/APs bet on offload engines to do most = of the heavy lifting, but as far as I understand only the NSS cores have a= shaper and fq_codel module.... > > >> It doesn't help that all the local ISP's claim 10Mbit upload even with >> 1G download. >> Is this a head end provisioning problem or related to Docsis 3.0 (or >> later) modems? > For DOCSIS the issue seems to be an unfortunate frequency split between = up and downstream and use of lower efficiency coding schemes . > Over here the incumbent cable isp provisions fifty Mbps for upstream an= d plans to increase that to hundred once the upstream is switched to docsi= s 3.1. > I believe one issue is that since most of the upstream is required for t= he reverse ACK traffic for the download and hence it can not be oversubscr= ibed too much.... but I think we have real docsis experts on the list, so = I will stop my speculation here... > > Regards > Sebastian > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat